Mr Bates vs the Post Office

Dirty Harry said:
Indeed, Starmer named this morning whilst head of the CPS apparently.
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It's noticeable that the Conservative upper echelons aren't going after Starmer - because it appears to be bunk.

It's not exactly news that Starmer was DPP for some of the time.

Starmer's said that he doesn't remember seeing anything but is checking. The CPS as a whole reckon they may have seen 50 total and have only identified about 27 of them so far, so how many of what are fairly small individual cases would get to the DPP's desk? Not many, if any. 50 in 4 million (that was the number of total cases through the CPS under Starmer, so mentioned yesterday).
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It's noticeable that the Conservative upper echelons aren't going after Starmer - because it appears to be bunk.

It's not exactly news that Starmer was DPP for some of the time.

Starmer's said that he doesn't remember seeing anything but is checking. The CPS as a whole reckon they may have seen 50 total and have only identified about 27 of them so far, so how many of what are fairly small individual cases would get to the DPP's desk? Not many, if any. 50 in 4 million (that was the number of total cases through the CPS under Starmer, so mentioned yesterday).
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I’m sure it’ll all come out in the wash mate, and just to be clear (just in case anyone thinks it), I’m not trying to point score politically, I think they’re all cunts.
 
the post office and this government are the rag equivalent of public services, keep buying overpriced shit that isnt fit for purpose and having it managed by a bunch of a clueless dickheads and then blame everybody else when it becomes a complete clusterfuck
 
Why are the Government proposing a new law to clear the sub Post Masters?.
They own the PO, they could set aside one appeal court and tell the PO not to challenge any appeal. One barrister is then appointed to present all the cases (including the few who are guilty) and overturn the conviction overnight.
Yet again they seem to be (deliberately?) making everything overly complicated.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It's noticeable that the Conservative upper echelons aren't going after Starmer - because it appears to be bunk.

It's not exactly news that Starmer was DPP for some of the time.

Starmer's said that he doesn't remember seeing anything but is checking. The CPS as a whole reckon they may have seen 50 total and have only identified about 27 of them so far, so how many of what are fairly small individual cases would get to the DPP's desk? Not many, if any. 50 in 4 million (that was the number of total cases through the CPS under Starmer, so mentioned yesterday).
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It's even worse than that. Only 3 cases have been identified as being brought by the CPS during Starmer's tenure as DPP. It's laughable, but entirely predictable, that Farage and the usual outlets are trying to shovel some of the blame his way when it's abundantly clear who the real culprits are.
 
Blue Mist said:
Why are the Government proposing a new law to clear the sub Post Masters?.
They own the PO, they could set aside one appeal court and tell the PO not to challenge any appeal. One barrister is then appointed to present all the cases (including the few who are guilty) and overturn the conviction overnight.
Yet again they seem to be (deliberately?) making everything overly complicated.
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because thats all the governments understands is the optics of the situation, the actual situation doesnt concern them in any way shape or form and their response is lets just do something big and flashy but ultimately pointless so it seems like we have a handle on things
 
Blue Mist said:
Why are the Government proposing a new law to clear the sub Post Masters?.
They own the PO, they could set aside one appeal court and tell the PO not to challenge any appeal. One barrister is then appointed to present all the cases (including the few who are guilty) and overturn the conviction overnight.
Yet again they seem to be (deliberately?) making everything overly complicated.
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Because, laughably, they want to bask in the reflected glory of being the "saviours"
 
inchy14 said:
You’re correct, however knowing management like I do their rationale would have been that the new system was now catching the crooks and it was brilliant, they’d have been asking how much went in before the new system was introduced.
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I get that, and having worked in and around cash businesses for much of my adult life I’ve pretty much seen it all. I know the tricks of the trade far better than Paula Vennels did or ever will.

In fact it’s worth stating that the putative MO of these SP’s bore fee or none of the classic signs of skimming. People don’t skim thousands of pounds in a day.

My point remains that previously (and demonstrably) honest people don’t become dishonest in those overwhelming numbers. It just doesn’t stand to reason.
 
mosssideblue said:
Of course it’s political
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Political yes, Party political no, fingers to be pointed at all parties. Prosecutions started in 2000 and the shit has continued from then in that time we have had Labour, Coalition and Tory govs. NB Paula Vennells didn't become CEO till 2012
 
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BringBackSwales said:
I bet she isn’t prosecuted, but hope she is, and all the other cunts. Interesting that the itv drama didn’t mention Adam crozier, a former post office ceo after Vennells, who interestingly later became itv ceo; just a coincidence I am sure
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If she’s seen again in public, I’m sure she will public justice. No doubt the tax payer will have to fund protection for her and her family for life
 
Dubai Blue said:
It's even worse than that. Only 3 cases have been identified as being brought by the CPS during Starmer's tenure as DPP. It's laughable, but entirely predictable, that Farage and the usual outlets are trying to shovel some of the blame his way when it's abundantly clear who the real culprits are.
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Thanks - hadn't seen an assessment of how many were in Starmer's time. It's pretty desperate smearing.
 
Gabriel said:
Would imagine the furore generated will have commissioning editors seeking out other such catastrophes to be dramatised for future Christmas viewing. Could become an annual tradition that is awkward for successive governments.
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I think the reason this has been able to achieve the impact it has is because the facts were already very clearly established.

It had been through the Courts, so the production didn't have to pussyfoot around allegations and facts or worry about prejudicing future court cases and so had a free run at it.

It just needed people to see that the sub-postmasters were simply normal people being badly stitched up and that it was quite easy to understand what had happened.

That is also why it is such an indictment of the Police and Government as both have failed to do anything without the exposure generated by this rather brilliant drama.
 
BringBackSwales said:
I watched the Panorama documentary on this last night - this was aired 2 years ago, so much of this has been out there for years, it’s criminal that it took a dramatised version for this appallingly negligent government to do something. What changed Mr Cameron, Mrs May, Mr Johnson, Mr Sunak (I’ll let Mrs Truss off as she was only PM for half an hour)? This was something that should have been dealt with years ago, you utter cunts
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Says it all, Coronation Street, Eastenders culture, people see Panorama and give it a wide berth.
 
The usual pricks like 30p Lee were trying to somehow pin this on Ed Davey.

While I am not saying he is blameless I did see a great comment saying something along the lines

"imagine trying to explain to someone from another country that the leader of the UK's 4th largest party was responsible and should resign"
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Thanks - hadn't seen an assessment of how many were in Starmer's time. It's pretty desperate smearing.
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I thought the point was that the Post Office had the power to bring their own prosecutions without involving the normal DPP process?
 
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