Mr Bates vs the Post Office

[BlueAnorak]

Don't think that's correct, but prepared to hold my hands up if I'm wrong.

No your right I rechecked. Thw DPP still has oversight responsibilities if complaints are made though. And there were a good few of those.

 

[metalblue]

There is no such thing as a civil prosecution ffs!

So what you’re saying is this is a civil prosecution?

 

[BlueAnorak]

There is no such thing as a civil prosecution ffs!

I think I've got that now. :-D
Thanks.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Over 900 convicted - with only 98 convictons quashed so far...
I know the law moves slowly but the PO being in charge of the legal process here really doesn't help one bit.

 

[BringBackSwales]

How the fuck does it take a well made tv programme to push twats like Sunak into action. This was an abundantly clear miscarriage of justice years ago, I fucking knew about it years ago, so what were these politicians doing? Yet suddenly it’s on tv and slimy **** sunak now wants to do something about it. What was he doing before and why wasn’t this acted upon years ago? At least Sunak has an excuse, he was too busy tax dodging, the horrible slimy despicable ****

 

[Blue Mist]

Im not sure how the rollout worked but if it was just all put in place in every post office one day and people were told to use it then it was an absolute recipe for disaster as a previous poster has said it should have either been run alongside the older system for a period of time to spot potential errors or a soft rollout should have been done where it was put in place in a select number of random post offices for a period of time before a larger nationwide rollout.

I mentioned earlier on in the thread that they did a trial run of the system before rolling it out nationwide.
Can you guess what happened during the trial? If you can't pm me.

 

[mancboy]

I mentioned earlier on in the thread that they did a trial run of the system before rolling it out nationwide.
Can you guess what happened during the trial? If you can't pm me.

If its anything like other public service systems ive seen roll out im going to gamble on errors thrown up all over the place which were immediately blamed on user error and assurances given that they would be fixed prior to the main rollout as the contracts had already been signed and then fuck all actually getting done, am i close?

 

[GaudinoMotors]

There is no such thing as a civil prosecution ffs!

Be Civil. Is it a lawsuit?

How does m'learned poster feel the legal system has fared in this sorry saga?
Is it simply a case of doing their job and of upholding the impartial indepency of the judiciary (until of course it suits them not to be, or is opportune not to be)? Could they have done more and at least requested better clarification and investigation - highlighted concerns?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Be Civil. Is it a lawsuit?

How does m'learned poster feel the legal system has fared in this sorry saga?
Is it simply a case of doing their job and of upholding the impartial indepency of the judiciary (until of course it suits them not to be, or is opportune not to be)? Could they have done more and at least requested better clarification and investigation - highlighted concerns?

Every limb of the establishment has horribly failed in this sorry saga, including the judicial system. I

The whole fucking abortion is a tragic metaphor for our times.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The Times published a list of those responsible for the scandal, and worst of all, the cover up.

Here is a Web archived version of the article that makes interesting reading:

https://archive.ph/S1woq

The ruling class elite - what I refer to as "The Blob" - will pin the blame on a couple of sacrificial lambs to protect the rest, as is there want. This is normally the first action to protect the rest of the blob. As such I kind of have some sympathy for:
1. Paula Vennells — Post Office chief executive, 2012-2019.
2. Angela van den Bogerd — Royal Mail business improvement director
Yes their conduct is shocking and their service to the blob is noted, but sorry you two, you were on the wrong chairs when the music stopped and will be sacrificed to protect the rest of the blob...

But there are many others that must bare a good slice of the responsibility - For those closely involved - in the order called out in the article:
1. Alice Perkins — Post Office chairwoman, 2011-2015.
2. Sir Tim Parker — Post Office chairman, October 2015-2022.
3. Dame Moya Greene — Royal Mail chief executive, 2010-2018
4. Alan Cook — Post Office managing director, 2006-2010
5. David Smith — Post Office managing director, 2010
6. Adam Crozier — Royal Mail chief executive, 2003-2010
7. Michael Keegan — Fujitsu UK chief executive, 2014-2015

Sir Tim Parker chairman of the Post Office from 2015 till he resigned in 2022 also has a role in the National Trust debarcle that has made the lives of many NT volunteers hell. Not that many of you will recognise that as a problem - though it very definately is.

All hail the blob!

No mention of the husband of the current education secretary, Michael Keegan, now working in government who was head of Fujitsu during this debacle?