Russian invasion of Ukraine

mosssideblue said:
How big are these groups, any idea?
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No mate....Russian troops are blowing up bridges in Belgorod to stop the advance.....i also know the Russian authorities are blocking evacuations of civillians.....not letting any of them leave danger zones.
Says it all to me.....what a fuckin scum leadership Russia has.

Slava Ukraini.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
No, we’re not. There are challenges but the military training and support to Ukraine is unquestionable. NATO spending and the way this government has diminished the military is a different matter, but shouldn’t be conflated.
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Sorry have to disagree on that.
Since Sunak and Hunt has taken over, our support is no where as strong as it was.
It's still there,- yes - but we're not leading the rest of Europe on this as we used to do.
 
mosssideblue said:
True, but I don’t think that was his point
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Sure, but the point goes without saying - if Russia ever escalated to such a level that nato declared war of course they’d back down within minutes, but that scenario will never happen, especially as nato are quietly putting more and more troops on the ground and Russia havent stopped yet.
 
Johnson has failed to block aid to Ukraine and he is now desperately back peddling to keep Republican Representatives onside and trying to force through aid as lend lease instead of straight aid - all a delay strategy of course
thehill.com

Johnson signals shift on Ukraine to GOP senators

Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) told Republican senators Wednesday to expect the House to send them legislation to help Ukraine, but cautioned that what comes out of the House will look substantially …
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A good number of house republicans are willing to sign the discharge petition immediately though. In addition, a Republican pressure group is ramping up the pressure to get the aid through:
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Republicans for Ukraine launch new ad to increase support for discharge petition

A Republican group calling for more U.S. aid to Ukraine has launched a new ad to increase lawmakers’ support for a long-shot bid to bring a vote on Ukraine aid to the House floor. Republicans for U…
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Iassel said:
Sure, but the point goes without saying - if Russia ever escalated to such a level that nato declared war of course they’d back down within minutes, but that scenario will never happen, especially as nato are quietly putting more and more troops on the ground and Russia havent stopped yet.
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i'd argue NATO (without the USA) would still kick Putin's ass
 
Iassel said:
Sure, but the point goes without saying - if Russia ever escalated to such a level that nato declared war of course they’d back down within minutes, but that scenario will never happen, especially as nato are quietly putting more and more troops on the ground and Russia havent stopped yet.
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Where is your proof of this?

Or as usual your biased bullshit/opinion, stated as facts.
 
fulabeer said:
Where is your proof of this?

Or as usual your biased bullshit/opinion, stated as facts.
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The facts of nato troops being on the ground was confirmed by the Germans a few weeks back….

The rest as said is my opinion - namely that it’s phenomenally naive to believe that as the weapons being provided become more and more sophisticated, increased numbers of western troops are on the ground in support and maintenance roles.

As posted on her months ago, the feasibility study on Gripen for example is not only on training and usage but also on ability to provide maintenance.
 
Iassel said:
The facts of nato troops being on the ground was confirmed by the Germans a few weeks back….

The rest as said is my opinion - namely that it’s phenomenally naive to believe that as the weapons being provided become more and more sophisticated, increased numbers of western troops are on the ground in support and maintenance roles.

As posted on her months ago, the feasibility study on Gripen for example is not only on training and usage but also on ability to provide maintenance.
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Gripen training etc is boxed off.
Just a case of if and when they get sent,and as i posted last week,i think....."if" Ukraine get Gripen....Taurus will follow very quickly.

Slava Ukraini.
 
Iassel said:
The facts of nato troops being on the ground was confirmed by the Germans a few weeks back….
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I think the term used was "advisors" not troops, they could easily be civilian advisors, as civilian companies build the kit for the military to use, nothing to stop civilian advisors being in Ukraine.
 
SPIDERBOY said:
Gripen training etc is boxed off.
Just a case of if and when they get sent,and as i posted last week,i think....."if" Ukraine get Gripen....Taurus will follow very quickly.

Slava Ukraini.
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I know they’re coming - I posted as much months ago, my point is that Sweden will be sending support staff to assist operations on the ground. None of this is news to Russia, they’re staggeringly incompetent at most times but not *that* incompetent.

cleavers said:
I think the term used was "advisors" not troops, they could easily be civilian advisors, as civilian companies build the kit for the military to use, nothing to stop civilian advisors being in Ukraine.
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Sure, we can say ‘advisors’, ‘representatives’ and many other names, but the underlying point is the same - western countries have official representation on the ground and have for a long time now.
 
Iassel said:
Sure, we can say ‘advisors’, ‘representatives’ and many other names, but the underlying point is the same - western countries have official representation on the ground and have for a long time now.
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Yes but you said "trooops" which is soldiers generally, so you're just speculating. There is no proof that there are any (unless you have some). My job is in support of UK military operations in the region, and I've not even heard a rumour that we have any there, and we support land, sea, and air, and currently are not supporting anyone there, despite doing so regularly between 2014 and Jan 2022.
 
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