The Conservative Party

[BrianW]

and so we get there - destination X - a place where a qualified GP will no longer be the one to diagnose you and sign you off sick it will be someone at the local benefits office who will decide whether you qualify as sick ............ fucking mad posturing

How is the **** Sunak qualified to judge whether someone is mentally ill or not?

The average GP struggles. It's a specialist area. Each person needs to be under a consultant psychiatrist, that's the level of expertise you need.

There's more chance of us all being given our own butler.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

How is the **** Sunak qualified to judge whether someone is mentally ill or not?

The average GP struggles. It's a specialist area. Each person needs to be under a consultant psychiatrist, that's the level of expertise you need.

There's more chance of us all being given our own butler.

That’s why the GPs are being circumnavigated.

It‘s much easier for a private assessor to dismiss all mental health issues. See the assessments for ESA/PIP for the MO.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Ah lovely...

Attack the poor headlines whilst Sunak and his mates steal our taxpayers money.

The Tory bastard way.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Great.............loads more suicides.

 

[kaz7]

Great.............loads more suicides.

This is true sadly , it is so difficult to get pips , making it more difficult will really push people past their limit

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Todays the day that you will lose your rights to sickness benefits and have to attend Work Capability Assessments as the Conservative war on the weakest in society continues unabated.

They’ve taken away all the safety nets and now turning medial issues into bureaucracy.

As I heard this morning, just another dead cat to keep us all distracted while the UK burns. Small boats to Sick notes, they have absolutely nothing left.

 

[mancityvstoke]

This is true sadly , it is so difficult to get pips , making it more difficult will really push people past their limit

Mate of mine hanged himself in the woods off Victoria Ave in Blackley.

Suffered severe depression...was told he was fit for work and all benefits were stopped.

This is the reality of the shit these cunts come out with.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It’s not a popular thing to say - especially on here - but the problem is now so bad that it can’t be ignored.

There won’t be any votes in it for Sunak but when you look at the numbers of people any government would need to tackle it, and that includes the next one as well.

The system has to be fair and that includes being fair to the people who do go out to work to pay for it all.

There is a deep division in society today, between those who want to work and enjoy the fruits of their labours and abide by and uphold the laws of the land, and an increasing number of what it has become fashionable to call the disaffected, the disadvantaged, the differently-motivated — what we used to call lazy people, dishonest people, people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions or their lives.

I decided that the time has come to take quite drastic action. We're going to bring back National Service as the first step in a large-scale programme of public works. We're going to get our young people — all our young people — off their backsides. We're going to put a large investment into Britain's future. And we're damned well going to get our money's worth.

It can't be right that young people in the very flower and prime of youth should spend half the day loafing in bed, and the rest selling each other drugs and stealing from each other. Let's give our young people a chance to learn self-discipline again, a chance to feel proud of themselves and walk tall!

I have a great belief in Britain, you know. We are not a nation of social workers, or clients of social workers. We are not, please God, a nation of deserving cases. We are a fierce, proud nation, and we are still, God willing, a nation to be reckoned with!

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I am not some tory twat.. But there is a problem with people taking the piss on sickies. There's genuine ones too, but the people taking the piss are the real problem, they spoil it for everyone else. We lose privileges because people take the piss (Certainly true in my current job). Not saying this is the right way to go about it, but its a result of piss takers.

Where did you get your medical qualifications to be such an expert?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

This is true sadly , it is so difficult to get pips , making it more difficult will really push people past their limit

‘Pile them up, 10,000 high’.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

This is true sadly , it is so difficult to get pips , making it more difficult will really push people past their limit

A recent example:



More detail here:



Owen has been a writer for the series Danger Mouse and Private Eye.

Also worth noting that in their recent books, The Spirit Level and The Inner Level, epidemiologists Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett show that the more unequal a society is, the more people suffer from a variety of physical and mental health problems, such as obesity and depression. Additionally, drug abuse tends to be rife, rates of imprisonment and teenage pregnancies are higher, social mobility is less possible, trust between citizens is lower, and violence is more endemic.

In other words, outcomes are significantly worse in more unequal rich countries like the US and UK.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Mate of mine hanged himself in the woods off Victoria Ave in Blackley.

Suffered severe depression...was told he was fit for work and all benefits were stopped.

This is the reality of the shit these cunts come out with.

fucking hell mate that's awful - so sorry to hear that and RIP to your pal.

this is what happens when community support resources are cut and unqualified call centre fuckwits with arbitrary targets are put in a position to make decisions that are literally life and death instead of qualified medical professionals.

 

[mancityvstoke]

fucking hell mate that's awful - so sorry to hear that and RIP to your pal.

this is what happens when community support resources are cut and unqualified call centre fuckwits with arbitrary targets are put in a position to make decisions that are literally life and death instead of qualified medical professionals.

Another lad who was sectioned and released to his empty 14th floor flat with zero support jumped. RIP Simon.

Many many suicides of men and women of all ages in Manchester due to depression and anxiety.

These posh easy life cunts have zero clue.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I see that Sunak has decided to pursue a vintage Tory stance. Like when New Coke went back to Original Coke.

There couldn’t possibly be a link with the number of people off work ill and the general hopelessness prevalent in the economy. High stress levels, poor nutrition because plenty can’t afford to eat properly, NHS falling apart at the seams meaning that those who have genuine problems aren’t addressed soon enough and they become worse. Not to mention the general lack of motivation that stagnating salaries and high costs provide. Work yourself to death 50 hours a week, for 50+ years in the hope that one day you might be able to afford a house or a pension. But probably not. Can anybody blame somebody feeling complete despair and succumbing to illness when this is the state of things?

The social contract has been broken. Hard work no longer brings any reward, in fact it doesn’t even guarantee you a basic standard of living. There’s no guarantee of public services that reach a sufficient standard. The economy is ailing and the few rewards that are out there are being hoovered up by a tiny percentage of already well-off people.

If the Tories want more people to work then here’s a crazy idea… how about we try fixing public services so people have the support networks in place to make them productive workers. Then how about we build an economy that provides high levels of social mobility? Where aspiration isn’t naive but realistic? How about we give people an actual reason to work hard?

Alas, a Victorian party with Victorian ideals. To the ruling class, the population is a workhouse and they will keep flogging people until they die or revolt. And roughly a third of the population will be happy with that.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

On the subject of mental health, Sunak needs to get himself checked out as this is obviously a completely nuts idea.

He also doesn't seem to make a connection between everyone having shit mental health and the absolutely fucking awful job his party have done running the country for 14 years. They really are absolutely fucking clueless.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

PIP isn’t even a work related benefit.
Nor is it means tested.
Richard Branson could get it if he qualified.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

The comments on the BBC News article say a lot about where the country is on this issue. Hundreds of them calling this bat shit crazy.

Now I know the BBC has its problems but it's as close as we have to a politically independent news outlet so it is a good litmus test of what the general public is feeling on this issue.

This will tank Sunak even further.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

They are a tiny minority. Where I work that tiny minority have impacted how sickness benefit works for all of us. It's not falling for tricks whatever they are, it's just a lifetime of seeing it for myself.

Sorry. I am not some heartless - fuck the working man twat. But it is there. People do take the piss, and employers use that to take the piss even more. Anyway say what you want I won't reply, it's just not a popular thing to say.

People have always took the piss. I have friends who work for BAE Systems building military equipment who have conversations about the best place to take a nap at work without getting caught.

 

[TinFoilHat]

The comments on the BBC News article say a lot about where the country is on this issue. Hundreds of them calling this bat shit crazy.

Now I know the BBC has its problems but it's as close as we have to a politically independent news outlet so it is a good litmus test of what the general public is feeling on this issue.

This will tank Sunak even further.

Not necessarily...

The voter supression laws he's enacted means many of the people he's attacking won't be able to vote because they won't have official ID.

At least 5 million people need to be educated in getting official id to vote or use postal voting.

With regards to posting I can see a summer GE as some Tory seats will be less threatened as all the students will be at home.

 

[BrianW]

The people who take the piss most 'work' in a big building in Westminster. The one with a clock that bongs. A good third of them are complete fuckwits who wouldn't get a job except for their 'connections'.