Seat Counters - 2023/24

Ashleymcduff said:
Some people trying to bag 2 tickets View attachment 117159
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As an OSC member for too many years to remember, I'm pretty sure that 99% of the membership would be appalled by this, I certainly am. All members are aware of the rules.

However, I'm not particularly comfortable that posting, on a public forum, this internal OSC email from KP to the branches is right and proper. Call it out by all means, but publishing the email is a no-go for me. It just plays into the hands of our detractors. A snide article condemning our scummy "ticket robbing" fanbase will be being written as we speak, no doubt.

As a fanbase we get enough hate, all this does is bring the hate to Manchester City OSC's, when we've all had enough shit being brought to our door.

We're all Blues when all is said and done.
 
Dodge said:
As an OSC member for too many years to remember, I'm pretty sure that 99% of the membership would be appalled by this, I certainly am. All members are aware of the rules.

However, I'm not particularly comfortable that posting, on a public forum, this internal OSC email from KP to the branches is right and proper. Call it out by all means, but publishing the email is a no-go for me. It just plays into the hands of our detractors. A snide article condemning our scummy "ticket robbing" fanbase will be being written as we speak, no doubt.

As a fanbase we get enough hate, all this does is bring the hate to Manchester City OSC's, when we've all had enough shit being brought to our door.

We're all Blues when all is said and done.
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Problem is this thread is full of OSC "supporters" shouting down posters stating that X or Y OSC are acting poorly,
with "where's the proof", show us "proof" and/or name the OSC involved. However, when the opportunity arises that confirms that OSC members are involved in poor actions, people want the "proof" discreetly kept from the public eye.
I've no particularly issues with OSC and am on this thread for seat counter information, which I've found very useful.
As devil's advocate I agree that a snide article is likely being written now, however, the press doesn't need the truth to
write a snide article about us anyway......
 
Dodge said:
As an OSC member for too many years to remember, I'm pretty sure that 99% of the membership would be appalled by this, I certainly am. All members are aware of the rules.

However, I'm not particularly comfortable that posting, on a public forum, this internal OSC email from KP to the branches is right and proper. Call it out by all means, but publishing the email is a no-go for me. It just plays into the hands of our detractors. A snide article condemning our scummy "ticket robbing" fanbase will be being written as we speak, no doubt.

As a fanbase we get enough hate, all this does is bring the hate to Manchester City OSC's, when we've all had enough shit being brought to our door.

We're all Blues when all is said and done.
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Bigger picture…. City are looking to stop tickets being allocated to OSC’s….Very clever how they do it. Put blame on our fans. Th
Dodge said:
As an OSC member for too many years to remember, I'm pretty sure that 99% of the membership would be appalled by this, I certainly am. All members are aware of the rules.

However, I'm not particularly comfortable that posting, on a public forum, this internal OSC email from KP to the branches is right and proper. Call it out by all means, but publishing the email is a no-go for me. It just plays into the hands of our detractors. A snide article condemning our scummy "ticket robbing" fanbase will be being written as we speak, no doubt.

As a fanbase we get enough hate, all this does is bring the hate to Manchester City OSC's, when we've all had enough shit being brought to our door.

We're all Blues when all is said and done.
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In all honesty, the club are intent on breaking the backbone of supporters clubs & season ticket holders. They don’t want either, yet they have all us arguing with each other over it, which results in them introducing new ideas and sell it as, it’s what the fans want. It’s like the City Matters group. Shocking.
 
gingerprince said:
Problem is this thread is full of OSC "supporters" shouting down posters stating that X or Y OSC are acting poorly,
with "where's the proof", show us "proof" and/or name the OSC involved. However, when the opportunity arises that confirms that OSC members are involved in poor actions, people want the "proof" discreetly kept from the public eye.
I've no particularly issues with OSC and am on this thread for seat counter information, which I've found very useful.
As devil's advocate I agree that a snide article is likely being written now, however, the press doesn't need the truth to
write a snide article about us anyway......
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Fair play mate.

I've given my reasons why I don't think it's appropriate for the email to be posted on this forum. I would ask one question of the fella who posted it, so here goes.

@Ashleymcduff - If and when KP gets to the bottom of it and puts together a list of 200 "offenders" and sends it to the branches. If you have access to the report (which would appear to be the case) will you publish that list on here as well?
 
Dodge said:
As an OSC member for too many years to remember, I'm pretty sure that 99% of the membership would be appalled by this, I certainly am. All members are aware of the rules.

However, I'm not particularly comfortable that posting, on a public forum, this internal OSC email from KP to the branches is right and proper. Call it out by all means, but publishing the email is a no-go for me. It just plays into the hands of our detractors. A snide article condemning our scummy "ticket robbing" fanbase will be being written as we speak, no doubt.

As a fanbase we get enough hate, all this does is bring the hate to Manchester City OSC's, when we've all had enough shit being brought to our door.

We're all Blues when all is said and done.
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Ok mate ..

I accept posting the email might not be a no go for you and I apologise .

Someone sent it to me through what’s app , just thought was on topic for discussion .
 
Dodge said:
Fair play mate.

I've given my reasons why I don't think it's appropriate for the email to be posted on this forum. I would ask one question of the fella who posted it, so here goes.

@Ashleymcduff - If and when KP gets to the bottom of it and puts together a list of 200 "offenders" and sends it to the branches. If you have access to the report (which would appear to be the case) will you publish that list on here as well?
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No as said in my previous reply someone what’s app’s it to me and as I said earlier it was topic for debate .

I’ll delete the post
 
Dodge said:
Fair play mate.

I've given my reasons why I don't think it's appropriate for the email to be posted on this forum. I would ask one question of the fella who posted it, so here goes.

@Ashleymcduff - If and when KP gets to the bottom of it and puts together a list of 200 "offenders" and sends it to the branches. If you have access to the report (which would appear to be the case) will you publish that list on here as well?
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The thing is with this happening, it's not as bad people are making out. It's a few people (200) who have probably made a mistake and just bought their own as they didn't want to wait. Its pretty hard to manage as OSCs are saying tickets are allocated please wait but then people see nearly all tickets are gone people panic. It's human error but on here people thinking they are taking the piss
 
Originals said:
The thing is with this happening, it's not as bad people are making out. It's a few people (200) who have probably made a mistake and just bought their own as they didn't want to wait. Its pretty hard to manage as OSCs are saying tickets are allocated please wait but then people see nearly all tickets are gone people panic. It's human error but on here people thinking they are taking the piss
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I know one of the people in this situation and this is exactly what happened with them.

It was a completely honest mistake, no one in my branch was trying to take more than their fair share of tickets.

As you can probably guess by my username I'm part of a US-based branch, and the assertion Dodge made that "everyone knows the rules" is absolutely wrong.

We were never given clear and proper information about rules and restrictions surrounding exactly how ticket allocations work for the OSC. In this case a supporter needed an extra ticket and honestly thought this was the correct and proper way to do it. It's not like this person is trying to snatch tickets away from other honest fans or re-sell them.

I'm not giving out more details than that other than to say both this supporter and myself were confused about several aspects of the allocation and request process.

I've even looked through both the Supporters' Charter and the OSC rules and did not find anything about this kind of situation.

People on this board need to understand not everyone is a lifer, we now literally have OSC branches in every corner of the globe and some of them have not been around very long. There are also plenty of long-time City fans who rarely or never get tickets through the OSC and are also unfamiliar with their rules.

I can't speak for everyone who made an extra request through the OSC they shouldn't have, obviously, but there's some pretty over-the-top anger in this thread. I understand that everyone wants to get a ticket but it isn't fair to assume bad intent from everyone who isn't intimately familiar with the policies. Maybe some are trying to hoard tickets or re-sell them at a mark-up, but it's pretty easy to make an honest mistake when there's a mad scramble for tickets to a big final.
 
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SkyBlueAmerican said:
I know one of the people in this situation and this is exactly what happened with them.

It was a completely honest mistake, no one in my branch was trying to take more than their fair share of tickets.

As you can probably guess by my username I'm part of a US-based branch, and the assertion Dodge made that "everyone knows the rules" is absolutely wrong.

We were never given clear and proper information about rules and restrictions surrounding exactly how ticket allocations work for the OSC. In this case a supporter needed an extra ticket and honestly thought this was the correct and proper way to do it. It's not like this person is trying to snatch tickets away from other honest fans or re-sell them.

I'm not giving out more details than that other than to say both this supporter and myself were confused about several aspects of the allocation and request process.

I've even looked through both the Supporters' Charter and the OSC rules and did not find anything about this kind of situation.

People on this board need to understand not everyone is a lifer, we now literally have OSC branches in every corner of the globe and some of them have not been around very long. There are also plenty of long-time City fans who rarely or never get tickets through the OSC and are also unfamiliar with their rules.

I can't speak for everyone who made an extra request through the OSC they shouldn't have, obviously, but there's some pretty over-the-top anger in this thread. I understand that everyone wants to get a ticket but it isn't fair to assume bad intent from everyone who isn't intimately familiar with the policies. Maybe some are trying to hoard tickets or re-sell them at a mark-up, but it's pretty easy to make an honest mistake when there's a mad scramble for tickets to a big final.
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Well said. People are diverse and the good, who make the honest mistake, get lumped in with the slightly dodgy who might be trying it on.
I think your last sentence sums it all up very well. It is difficult and more so when there’s a countdown going on. :-) No disrespect to the count downers as they’re doing a grand job of helping keep us up to date. :-)
 
Ashleymcduff said:
No as said in my previous reply someone what’s app’s it to me and as I said earlier it was topic for debate .

I’ll delete the post
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Fair do's mate. Listen, I get it and your frustration at what is a totally unsatisfactory situation. Hopefully, the guilty parties will be identified (within their branch) and handed ticket bans at a minimum.

Like I said before, we're all Blues and no-one has any right to take tickets away from fellow supporters.

All the best.
 
Eccles Blue said:
Well said. People are diverse and the good, who make the honest mistake, get lumped in with the slightly dodgy who might be trying it on.
I think your last sentence sums it all up very well. It is difficult and more so when there’s a countdown going on. :-) No disrespect to the count downers as they’re doing a grand job of helping keep us up to date. :-)
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Very much appreciate this.

I understand why people are frustrated as I know the Final is in high demand especially considering who the opponent is, I was just taken aback at people assuming everyone caught up in this is some kind of cheat or ticket tout.
 
SkyBlueAmerican said:
I know one of the people in this situation and this is exactly what happened with them.

It was a completely honest mistake, no one in my branch was trying to take more than their fair share of tickets.

As you can probably guess by my username I'm part of a US-based branch, and the assertion Dodge made that "everyone knows the rules" is absolutely wrong.

We were never given clear and proper information about rules and restrictions surrounding exactly how ticket allocations work for the OSC. In this case a supporter needed an extra ticket and honestly thought this was the correct and proper way to do it. It's not like this person is trying to snatch tickets away from other honest fans or re-sell them.

I'm not giving out more details than that other than to say both this supporter and myself were confused about several aspects of the allocation and request process.

I've even looked through both the Supporters' Charter and the OSC rules and did not find anything about this kind of situation.

People on this board need to understand not everyone is a lifer, we now literally have OSC branches in every corner of the globe and some of them have not been around very long. There are also plenty of long-time City fans who rarely or never get tickets through the OSC and are also unfamiliar with their rules.

I can't speak for everyone who made an extra request through the OSC they shouldn't have, obviously, but there's some pretty over-the-top anger in this thread. I understand that everyone wants to get a ticket but it isn't fair to assume bad intent from everyone who isn't intimately familiar with the policies. Maybe some are trying to hoard tickets or re-sell them at a mark-up, but it's pretty easy to make an honest mistake when there's a mad scramble for tickets to a big final.
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No one without points has a far share of tickets. You should never get a ticket in front of people with points or a season ticket.
 
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