PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Fuzzy80 said:
This is the guy who is heading up the IC not the PL lawyer.

Whilst I don’t know anything 100%, it would beyond ridiculous for someone who has reached KC, to do something like that on X for likes.

It is a journalist or it’s some kind of law student that has some inside track on one side (probably United fan given the name).

As has been already said, doesn’t mean what they have put on is not well researched or even quite convincing.

But you have only heard one side and I believe the next side will be more convincing.
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Clarkie will be turning in his grave.
 
MBMB said:
Have we got any plausible explanation for the content of those emails though? Looks pretty blatant…
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Previous username "Sports Washing FC"

Ger rid Mods.
 
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
Hardly ambiguous, matey!

Couldn't be clearer.

I am not farming reactions, I'm not earning money from it, learned very quickly that I can't go down the route.

Joined Twitter to fight City's corner against media and others, but also because my job has changed this last year and it affords me less time to devote, as opposed to longer conversations with the bretheren on here.
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Yes noticed you post on Twitter about the PL charges came back on here see if I could find you, your doing City a favour there aren’t many City fans helping to stamp down on some of the ridiculous posts about our club Liam Gallagher takes a lot of the fallout. Thanks T. H. :)
 
I don't know who magic hat is.........and at this point I'm to afraid to ask


I would post this as an Andy dwyer meme but I can't be arsed.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Every one seems to pull the mental health card these days. It should not be used as an excuse for unacceptable vindictive behaviour. Especially when you see the effects nonsense posted on social media has on others, including our fan base.
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Yep
What about the mental health of our fans
Harris is a **** who is instigating a lot of the filth being thrown at our club
The supporters are taking the brunt of the shit because our club is keeping Schtum, just wish the club would at least start going on the offensive against all this shit, we as City fans ,facing on a daily basis
 
Cityfan1977 said:
what an asshole

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They’re all trying it on at the minute. Insinuations that the club will be stripped of titles.

www.theguardian.com

Jürgen Klopp drops Manchester City charges hint at his farewell to Liverpool

Jürgen Klopp said he would join the bus parade if Liverpool were retrospectively awarded the two titles they narrowly lost to Manchester City
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MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
They’re all trying it on at the minute. Insinuations that the club will be stripped of titles.

www.theguardian.com

Jürgen Klopp drops Manchester City charges hint at his farewell to Liverpool

Jürgen Klopp said he would join the bus parade if Liverpool were retrospectively awarded the two titles they narrowly lost to Manchester City
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even if Klopp thinks that City cheated saying that is something else.

Doesnt surprice me after the "this is bad day for football ".
 
I'm Blue said:
For all the Blues finding this draining chin up Blues.
This is gonna keep coming as long as we’re successful.
We’ve drove a giant tractor ; ) through the establishment.
We’ve not only took food off their tables, we’ve emptied the cupboards and even emptied their secret snack drawer.
No matter what we do we’ll get criticism.
It started with “you’ll never be a big club till you win something”
Done!
“You’ll never be a big club till you win the league”
Done!
“You’ll never be a big club till you win it back to back”
Done!
“You’ll never be a big club till you win the CL”
Done!
Then when they can no longer question our trophy haul it’s “no history” and “no fans”
Then it’s ffp cheats.
Even after being cleared by CAS it’s “time barred” and “you’ve payed them off”
Then we’ve got 115.
Just another way to attack the club and when we GET CLEARED of the latest orchestrated attack we will again hear “payed them off” and “corruption”
When the 115 isn’t getting City or it’s fans to jump from bridges it’s “City have paid off referees and var”
It’ll keep coming Blues no matter what we do.
The good will be ignored and the bad will be jumped on no matter how insignificant it is.
Enjoy the ride, boil some piss and what will be will be.
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This is all true.

However the problem is that this stuff isn't consigned to football twitter, which is a cesspit.

The problem is that British sports media is full to the brim with utd and liverpool supporting 'journalists' who act as cheerleaders for them and glorified fanzine writers.

City get little to no credit and little to no headlines - unless negative, which is the charges and the human rights jibes.

There's also an Anti-MIddle Eastern, Anti-Muslim element too. I don't remember Chelsea and the Putin connected Abramovich getting the human rights and sports washing criticisms.

I don't remember Arsenal getting the sportswashing jibe with the Rwanda and Emirates sponsorship? Not utd with their deals with Chinese and Saudi business sponsors.
 
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meltonblue said:
Assuming the evidence is the second tranche of emails that were released. We dont know what evidence was provided to them in response to that.
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Well yes, we can only comment on the "evidence" that we know is out there. I suppose it's possible that the PL has more but I really don't care about the minor charges. If the PL can't prove the major charge (the funding of the Etihad sponsorship) then a lot of the more serious stuff (for example: accounts that don't show a true and fair view, UEFA and PL FFP) fall away. I really don't care if we are "guilty" of splitting salaries, image right issues, youth player nonsense and the rest. All clubs stretch the rules.

I suppose it's possible that the PL has more evidence than we know about. But for the sponsorship, I just don't see how anything definitely incriminating will be in the club's books as, if it exists at all, it will all be held externally and this is where the point on statements and reputations comes in.

I also suppose it's possible, if the club has done as alleged, that executives have been careless in leaving some breadcrumbs lying around the club's records that could act as supporting evidence but it would be mind-bogglingly stupid to leave anything in the club's records that would definitely prove the PL's allegations. The club's executives have clearly been careless a few times but I don't think they are stupid.
 
I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.
 
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Prophet of Doom said:
There hasn’t been one article, radio show or tv show promoting the idea we might be innocent. There’s been thousands saying we are guilty.

It’s sad that after 16 years of ownership we have virtually zero support from any corner of the media, and nobody reporting that we might actually be innocent.
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...because our media department (in terms of fighting back and setting the agenda) isn't fit for purpose.

It's been said on here before that some in the media department are fine with what the fanzines writers come out with.

I know through someone who used to work at the legal department that our media team are quite chummy with the journalists that write shit about us.

After the CAS verdict the club should have taken a hardline with anyone casting doubt on it.

The cheats and sportswashing jibes have stuck because our media department is nowhere to be seen.
 
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