PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[ShaunMCFC]

You're talking through your arse(nal) here. This is absolute nonsense.

First, the 5-year limitation period is in UEFA's FFP rules, and nothing to do with CAS.

Second, we were cleared by CAS of the substantive charge levelled against us by UEFA's CFCB, which is that our commercial sponsorships were disguised equity funding. The initial press release from CAS, on 13th July was quite explicit on that point.

Third, the time-barred element of the case (the Etisalat sponsorship) was examined by CAS, who cleared it as being done properly. This oft-repeated claim by the hard-of-thinking, that we only got off due to time-barring, is a complete myth.

Finally, although it's not stated explicitly that there's a time limitation in the PL rules, it is stated that English law applies, which means there's a 6-year limitation period. They can go back further if there's evidence of criminality or fraud though, which is effectively what we've been accused of. But if the PL's Independent Commission finds no evidence of fraudulent activity then pretty well every part of the PL's case falls as time-barred. And if there's no evidence of fraud, then it's highly unlikely we did much wrong at all, which is a double whammy to our detractors, like you.

They say 3-word alliteration is a powerful communication trick so i'm going to use that technique and call you a thick Tarquin twat.

Mic drop.

 

[Bluemoon230989]

That reads like you are trying your best to appease our fan base whilst also letting your biased city are guilty views permeate through. A stature of limitation does not mean guilty, it doesn’t even imply guilty. As for what you are reading and hearing I am calling that unfounded nonsense. I am reading and hearing that the FA are desperately trying to do a deal with City to dig themselves out of the hole they have created by raising these “charges” with a face saving solution and City are not having a bar of it.

I'm reading and hearing that the FA have fuck all to do with it.

 

[chris85mcfc]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

I defended you the other week as a decent poster, but you've pretty much just fed yourself to the lions.

Stick to posting about football.

 

[come-on-barney]

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He said: '(broadcaster) TNT - no 12:30 discussion; referees; we don't talk about Man City - don't know why; we don't talk about financial things - don't know why; VAR'.

Compere for the evening John Bishop then questioned Klopp on what might happen should the Reds find themselves two league titles the richer should an ongoing investigation into Manchester City strip them of their crowns.

City are currently being investigated over 115 alleged charges of breaching Premier League financial rules, though the club has repeatedly and vehemently denied them.

Klopp said: 'If you organise a bus parade I'm in. How long it takes, I don't care how long.'

Most overrated manager in premiership history. Desperate for the titles to make his record look better.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

You’re absolutely right to say City weren’t cleared by UEFA.

We were found guilty by UEFA, and appealed that verdict to CAS.

CAS, however, having reviewed the slender evidence presented by UEFA to support the guilty verdict, repeatedly stated there was ‘no evidence’ to support the allegations - and cleared us on that basis.

They did not clear us because all the evidence was time barred. This is a disingenuous misconception peddled by client journalists in the mainstream media whose job it is to continue the guilty narrative.

It’s all in here if you actually go to the source (rather than the media spin), in case you’re in any doubt and want to clarify the situation.

https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Award_6785___internet__.pdf

And you’re also wrong that there’s no time barring in the PL case, as any charges will need to comply with UK law - which includes a six year limitation unless fraud or deliberate concealment can be proven.

Which will require a very high burden of proof on behalf of the PL.

A lot more than six emails, which as it happens are proof of precisely nothing - as CAS very clearly set out in their verdict.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

John Bishop is coming to Perth, the missus wanted tickets…… not a fucking chance, the goofy ****!

Oh come on! Another chance to hear how poooower he was as a kid. Hilarious, original anectdotes. Best since Stan Boardman. Side splitting. That scouse humour. From what I can gather, he's the popular, ladies of a certain age, dildo material.
Surely nobody can find him amusing.

 

[come-on-barney]

And... there it is, the mask has slipped.

You did well to keep up appearances for so long.

For the record, City were found innocent by CAS. If you are found guilty of something, and a higher court decides that was the wrong verdict, you are cleared, you don't stay guilty. And anyone that tries to pretend otherwise is a bitter twat. Through that little twist, your agenda is pretty fucking clear.

You will no doubt stick about like an obsessive weirdo, but you are not fooling that many any more.

Don’t know why anyone was fooled by him.

 

[dickie davies]

If it's any consolation, the bold part just isn't true in my experience. I travel widely and hardly ever see or hear it mentioned, other than from other English people (and even then it's only from fans of the same 3 teams). Don't let the fuckers get you down.

Actually, it is true
Friends of ours emigrated to Australia around 20 years ago
My daughter (27 years old) posted pics on Instagram of us at the parade and the Dad commented back something along the lines of "what are you celebrating for? You've got 115 charges to face"

He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter

 

[Gone for a Burton]

If it's any consolation, the bold part just isn't true in my experience. I travel widely and hardly ever see or hear it mentioned, other than from other English people (and even then it's only from fans of the same 3 teams). Don't let the fuckers get you down.

Agreed.

Independent international fans love City's style,players and achievements.

It's the gormless ignoramus’s,fuelled by a hateful & racist media, that spout unsubstantiated diarrhea !!

 

[roach3]

The one thing I hope for if we are cleared is that we go after any person or organisation that has been libellous and that means anyone from Brent to top rag writers.

Probably won’t happen but will have eased what we have all been through.

As others have said this isn’t just affecting our club anymore it’s actually affecting fans everyday life.

The dippers would have made up some rule and got it through parliament in a week.

As a guy born in the 60s I fucking hate what this country has turned into but the one thing I can enjoy is my team finally being able to compete with anyone.

I’ve tried to look through the cartel fans eyes with the charges and asked myself would I be any different to them.

Probably not if I’m honest but I wouldn’t make it an obsession.

Is this how the dippers feel with their closed shop mentality?

The one thing we are going to have to accept that the damage the mainstream media have done will last long after the verdict finally arrives.

Thanks to the cartel and their obsession for power and money even if we are cleared the mission will be complete.

Remember when football was just a game?

 

[Bluemoon230989]

Actually, it is true
Friends of ours emigrated to Australia around 20 years ago
My daughter (27 years old) posted pics on Instagram of us at the parade and the Dad commented back something along the lines of "what are you celebrating for? You've got 115 charges to face"

He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter

"He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter"

Sorry mate, that proves fuck all!
;0)

 

[Sid Snott]

If we were Liverpool fans (urghhh) with these daily jibes, accusations, the smears, the mocking, downright lies - perhaps we would be demanding some compo by now.

Or lighting fuckin candles

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

Sounds like you believe the media about City. 20pt deduction wtf. We are getting nothing like that. Its either our owners go to jail or the PL lose massively.

So where did you hear its likely to be JUST 20pt deduction?

And name the charges. They're out there, name one and explain it.

 

[Shirley]

Actually, it is true
Friends of ours emigrated to Australia around 20 years ago
My daughter (27 years old) posted pics on Instagram of us at the parade and the Dad commented back something along the lines of "what are you celebrating for? You've got 115 charges to face"

He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter

So he’s a £10 pom

 

[mancboy]

Actually, it is true
Friends of ours emigrated to Australia around 20 years ago
My daughter (27 years old) posted pics on Instagram of us at the parade and the Dad commented back something along the lines of "what are you celebrating for? You've got 115 charges to face"

He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter

One doesnt necessarily pertain to the other, being a regional manager of anything doesnt stop you from being stupid in other areas in any way shape or form, you could be an absolute genius of a builder but that doesnt mean you know complex financial accounting laws. This is nothing to do with being stupid or not stupid as i said yesterday its confirmation bias in its purest form, the red top fans and other fans need us to be guilty because anything less would upset the natural order of things and we cant have that.

As i have said multiple times the red tops through their press friends have been told time and time again that they are special, that they are more important, that this means more and every single other piece of bollocks that you have heard over your entire life and the very idea that a club that isnt one of them could take what they hold so dear just by being better run, by having better ideas and not subscribing to the idea that we should know our place and cow tow to them would destroy them to their very core because they would have face the idea that they are not special and just like every other club and this doesnt mean more and nobody gives a fuck if you are manchester united or not, so the fact that we are better has to be because we have been cheating, it just has to be, they need it in the same way the goc needs his gallon of whiskey to get him through the day.

All of this is just an echo chamber of people shouting the same nonsense back and forward because its what they need to hear to make them feel better about themselves and they ignore any kind of rationale or critical thinking because it doesnt fit with what they want, its something they are experts at you only have to look at the way they treat the actual sport where they constantly bleat on about how great they are and everything is against them and that they never spend any money etc etc with literally zero evidence to understand why they are the way are about the charges.

 

[Leeky]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

You couldn’t resist any longer, get it off your chest, like Piers Morgan your ranting is delusional coming on Bluemoon is like therapy and only ends up one way.

 

[Mancity1980]

I'm reading and hearing that the FA have fuck all to do with it.

I heard that as well! Opps, Premier League!! :)

 

[dickie davies]

"He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter"

Sorry mate, that proves fuck all!
;0)

I've known him for over thirty years and he's a really lovely fella
I was absolutely gobsmacked when Abbie told me about his message, especially with him working in finance and his knowledge of money laundering and fraud etc
But it proves the point about 115 charges and guilt that @Stephen.spcostman.co.uk made that it is becoming the narrative around the globe

 

[BlueAnorak]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

Well yes Masters is trying to do a deal - but the rumour at our end is very definately that, as there is no actual evidence, just the equivalent of hearsay, that City have told Masters to shove the deal up where the sun doesn't shine.
You only need to look at the confidence of various City board members when interviewed that the PL case is in deep, deep trouble.
6 emails taken out-of-context from over 3 million does NOT a strong legal case make.
One has to wonder why Masters and the PL brought the maximum possible charges forward?
The answer, of course, is they were forced to by the Cartel clubs that run English football.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

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He said: '(broadcaster) TNT - no 12:30 discussion; referees; we don't talk about Man City - don't know why; we don't talk about financial things - don't know why; VAR'.

Compere for the evening John Bishop then questioned Klopp on what might happen should the Reds find themselves two league titles the richer should an ongoing investigation into Manchester City strip them of their crowns.

City are currently being investigated over 115 alleged charges of breaching Premier League financial rules, though the club has repeatedly and vehemently denied them.

Klopp said: 'If you organise a bus parade I'm in. How long it takes, I don't care how long.'

John Bishop and Klopp on the same stage? Be like Shergar interviewing Red Rum that!