PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[blue b4 the moon]

Ignore list has had a couple of editions from the last few pages....

 

[Chappie]

You're reading that 'the mask has slipped' into all that? Sorry but that's just paranoid on your part.

For what it's worth I think if you've got money to invest in your own football team you should be able to do so however you choose fit. The point I was trying to make was that at the end of the day, talk of relegations is wide of the mark and that my feeling is that a deal will be cut behind the scenes so that everyone can move on. The reasons for this are 2-fold. Firstly so City can move forward so it will be in their interests to bring it to a close ASAP. But secondly it's hardly in the PL's interests for City to be found guilty of the most severe charges. PL football is a highly marketable brand - not going to look good if its prize asset of the last decade gets slapped with massive penalties and makes it look like the PL has been presiding over a dogs dinner. Money talks at the end of the day in big business.

There will be no deal as it will allow people to carry on the smear campaign, which we have endured for the last 10 years.
The Cas ruling cleared City of all chargeses except the non cooperation one.
The ruling from that committee, stated there was no evidence of any wrong doing on any of the chargeses brought up by UEFA and that included the one that were time barred.
You and the media have chosen to ignore that ruling as it does not suit your agenda.
Instead of coming on here pontificating, go and read the Cas ruling and count the times the words " no evidence was found "
When you get to double figures, let that sink in and reflect that you might just be wrong in your assumptions.
And whilst you are still here,what are your views on your club being sponsored by the Emirates organisation and your view's on your clubs, Rwanda agreement and how did you feel about Mr Usminov owning a stake in your club ?
Or the gentleman who's wealth was founded on exploiting cheap labour in Africa ?

 

[Coatigan]

Don’t know why anyone was fooled by him.

I did give him the benefit of the doubt, and was happy to. Ah well.

I don't have an issue with people jumping to believe we are guilty, ahead of the process happening. It is annoying, it is premature, but it is open to speculation and with how it is all presented hard to resist I guess.

But I do absolutely have an issue with declaring us guilty at the uefa case, when innocence has clearly been determined. Being selective and dishonest with that, is just not on. Next he'll be telling us 'well you did get fined €10m, so you Were kinda guilty', straight out of the Simon Jordan handbook for twattery.

 

[eastmanc]

Oh come on! Another chance to hear how poooower he was as a kid. Hilarious annectdotes. Best since Stan Boardman. Side splitting.

How bad was Stan Boardman?

 

[BlueAnorak]

The minute City say anything it will be in breach, the PL will have their escape route, so we can expect a lot more goading, a very lot more of Masters saying soon but not giving a date. even the dates out now are just media baiting.

So true.
Great Post.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.

 

[bridgeno1]

Sounds like you believe the media about City. 20pt deduction wtf. We are getting nothing like that. Its either our owners go to jail or the PL lose massively.

So where did you hear its likely to be JUST 20pt deduction?

And name the charges. They're out there, name one and explain it.

I don't feel I need to. That wasn't the point of my post. I was just pointing out that in the real world businesses (and that's what both City and the PL are at the end of the day) try to figure out what's best for their own continuity and come to an agreement so that both parties move on. What happens when the office nutcase tries to claim unfair dismissal? More often than not a deal is cut behind the scenes to avoid lengthy legal proceedings and bad PR making its way to that company's client and prospect base. City getting slammed isn't a good outcome for City but it's also a terrible outcome for the PL which is why I think it's the least likely outcome.

 

[eastmanc]

There will be no deal as it will allow people to carry on the smear campaign, which we have endured for the last 10 years.
The Cas ruling cleared City of all chargeses except the non cooperation one.
The ruling from that committee, stated there was no evidence of any wrong doing on any of the chargeses brought up by UEFA and that included the one that were time barred.
You and the media have chosen to ignore that ruling as it does not suit your agenda.
Instead of coming on here pontificating, go and read the Cas ruling and count the times the words " no evidence was found "
When you get to double figures, let that sink in and reflect that you might just be wrong in your assumptions.
And whilst you are still here,what are your views on your club being sponsored by the Emirates organisation and your view's on your clubs, Rwanda agreement and how did you feel about Mr Usminov owning a stake in your club ?
Or the gentleman who's wealth was founded on exploiting cheap labour in Africa ?

The phrase stones and glass houses comes to mind.

 

[Centurions]

It's a shame this total tophat is getting such exposure on here, but thoroughly understandable at the same time. We're all seeking information about the case and then this asswipe appears. Seems his cover has been blown though. Hopefully he'll skulk off but I'm pretty sure he'll be back.

But everything he bases his conclusions on (which were already formed of course) is old information that was already in the public domain (for literally years). Ignore Harris (or whoever it may be).

 

[BlueAnorak]

I know where your coming from but I want our acheivements to be admired by all, not sullied.
I want others to remember the Pep era as a great pure football acheivement and I want to look back with pride. I can't do that currently.
We lost all admiration from other fans as soon as the charges landed and we've, the club, done nothing to arrest back control of the situation since then.

And won't do until there is a verdict in our favour.
I would hope we would go full on "Godfather I ending" once a verdict arrives in our favour but I doubt even that will happen
The club will probably put the verdict in a safe place and use it as a legal shillelagh to batter anyone who steps out of line.

 

[eastmanc]

I don't feel I need to. That wasn't the point of my post. I was just pointing out that in the real world businesses (and that's what both City and the PL are at the end of the day) try to figure out what's best for their own continuity and come to an agreement so that both parties move on. What happens when the office nutcase tries to claim unfair dismissal? More often than not a deal is cut behind the scenes to avoid lengthy legal proceedings and bad PR making its way to that company's client and prospect base. City getting slammed isn't a good outcome for City but it's also a terrible outcome for the PL which is why I think it's the least likely outcome.

City took a hit with UEFA in 2014 we won't be making that mistake again.

 

[77lost by a point]

How bad was Stan Boardman?

Never got over Uwe's grandad bombing their chippy

 

[Norbiton]

I don't feel I need to. That wasn't the point of my post. I was just pointing out that in the real world businesses (and that's what both City and the PL are at the end of the day) try to figure out what's best for their own continuity and come to an agreement so that both parties move on. What happens when the office nutcase tries to claim unfair dismissal? More often than not a deal is cut behind the scenes to avoid lengthy legal proceedings and bad PR making its way to that company's client and prospect base. City getting slammed isn't a good outcome for City but it's also a terrible outcome for the PL which is why I think it's the least likely outcome.

If The PL had wanted to avoid lengthy legal proceedings they’re going about it in a very strange way. They may well be keen to extricate themselves now but it’s too late for anything other than an admission of failure on their part

 

[Blue warrior]

Have they demoted us to a league on Pluto yet?

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

I don't feel I need to. That wasn't the point of my post. I was just pointing out that in the real world businesses (and that's what both City and the PL are at the end of the day) try to figure out what's best for their own continuity and come to an agreement so that both parties move on. What happens when the office nutcase tries to claim unfair dismissal? More often than not a deal is cut behind the scenes to avoid lengthy legal proceedings and bad PR making its way to that company's client and prospect base. City getting slammed isn't a good outcome for City but it's also a terrible outcome for the PL which is why I think it's the least likely outcome.

So the PL can make baseless accusations about any team and then argue for a deal? Pretty sure that’s mafia tactics. The PL have slit their own throats with this, whatever happens.

 

[GornikDaze]

And... there it is, the mask has slipped.

You did well to keep up appearances for so long.

For the record, City were found innocent by CAS. If you are found guilty of something, and a higher court decides that was the wrong verdict, you are cleared, you don't stay guilty. And anyone that tries to pretend otherwise is a bitter twat. Through that little twist, your agenda is pretty fucking clear.

You will no doubt stick about like an obsessive weirdo, but you are not fooling that many any more.

In fairness he did caveat early on by saying he was watching AFTV - in this instance I believe it just a harmless wind up attempt than malicious ;)

 

[bridgeno1]

There will be no deal as it will allow people to carry on the smear campaign, which we have endured for the last 10 years.
The Cas ruling cleared City of all chargeses except the non cooperation one.
The ruling from that committee, stated there was no evidence of any wrong doing on any of the chargeses brought up by UEFA and that included the one that were time barred.
You and the media have chosen to ignore that ruling as it does not suit your agenda.
Instead of coming on here pontificating, go and read the Cas ruling and count the times the words " no evidence was found "
When you get to double figures, let that sink in and reflect that you might just be wrong in your assumptions.
And whilst you are still here,what are your views on your club being sponsored by the Emirates organisation and your view's on your clubs, Rwanda agreement and how did you feel about Mr Usminov owning a stake in your club ?
Or the gentleman who's wealth was founded on exploiting cheap labour in Africa ?

In my original post I stated that Arsenal weren't exactly whiter than white and that there are skeletons in the closet.

I'm not here in a willy waving guise, I was just commenting on the whole charges thread as a whole. Clearly in hindsight that wasn't a wise move but I'm finding some members are ignoring the post as a whole but zeroing in on a few words of it and trying to spin it out like I've somehow been hiding under the surface on this forum for nearly a year and then right at the end, after all the prizes have been given out, have decided to come out screaming about charges Like a demented William Wallace. What would the point even be of doing that?

 

[cheekybids]

Oh come on! Another chance to hear how poooower he was as a kid. Hilarious annectdotes. Best since Stan Boardman. Side splitting.

A shop, a pub & a chippy…….

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I don't feel I need to. That wasn't the point of my post. I was just pointing out that in the real world businesses (and that's what both City and the PL are at the end of the day) try to figure out what's best for their own continuity and come to an agreement so that both parties move on. What happens when the office nutcase tries to claim unfair dismissal? More often than not a deal is cut behind the scenes to avoid lengthy legal proceedings and bad PR making its way to that company's client and prospect base. City getting slammed isn't a good outcome for City but it's also a terrible outcome for the PL which is why I think it's the least likely outcome.

The point of your post was telling us the most likely outcome. Explain WHY you think that. Surely?

The fact that your post stinks of how guilty we are and how the natural development is "a deal"... showed me you know fuck all about the charges except what you have read in the media.

Explain one charge. Explain why we will only get a 20pt deduction?

Otherwise we are just dealing with another knobhead who gets his info from the newspapers and AFTV trying to be nice and cosy up to what you see as a doomed, guilty club .

Explain the thinking behind your comments. Simple enough or might educate us all on here. More likely though it will prove that you just believe whatever you read on twitter.

 

[mancboy]

I don't feel I need to. That wasn't the point of my post. I was just pointing out that in the real world businesses (and that's what both City and the PL are at the end of the day) try to figure out what's best for their own continuity and come to an agreement so that both parties move on. What happens when the office nutcase tries to claim unfair dismissal? More often than not a deal is cut behind the scenes to avoid lengthy legal proceedings and bad PR making its way to that company's client and prospect base. City getting slammed isn't a good outcome for City but it's also a terrible outcome for the PL which is why I think it's the least likely outcome.

Ive been saying for a while that the pl have been trying unsuccessfully to extricate themselves from the mess that they have created, these charges were the result of the pl trying to stave off an independent regulator and what they expected to happen was for city to take a minor slap on the wrist (hence the large amount of charges) and for them to be able to go to the regulator look we can keep our own house in order , if they were serious about anything else they would have gone for a smaller number of charges that were far more easily provable and not insinuating criminal offences had taken place.

What they didnt account for is city saying no thats not happening and fighting back and that presented them with a problem of coming up with evidence to prove the accusations and now they have found themselves in a battle that they cant win and a mess of their own creation because whatever happens from here on out they have damaged the brand, masters will lose his job and they will look beyond ridiculous.

 

[Listerfiend]

Actually, it is true
Friends of ours emigrated to Australia around 20 years ago
My daughter (27 years old) posted pics on Instagram of us at the parade and the Dad commented back something along the lines of "what are you celebrating for? You've got 115 charges to face"

He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter

I moved to Australia in 2001, not heard a single mention of 115 in all that time, barring maybe a news report or two. Never really been anything negative about us at all.

And yeah I wouldn’t hold regional managers up as an example of intelligence. Usual qualification is an inflated ego and a head up their own arse