City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

[ufo]

Interesting to read that City are calling the PL's own sponsorship deals into question, saying that they have a conflict of interest. There's definitely a case for a governing body to regulate the PL's commercial deals. Let's have a forensic look at the PLs accounts and commercial activities and see what's going on.

This is what I have been saying all along , let’s get a third party auditor and look into pl accounts.We can start with sky sponsorship and take it from there .

 

[supercity88]

I don't follow...

So we lose the challenge, meaning that the charges against us are at least on firm legal ground... and in spite of this, the PL subsequently lose their case against us? And this works to "save face" for the PL?

I threw this conspiracy out yesterday, which I must add I think is absolute bollocks.

But in essence, if the PL doesn't make the charges stick then there's a monumental fallout. The majority of media outlets and armchair fans see the fact they've punished Everton and Forest and not us as bias and weakness.

If they lose the case against us then their reputation is going to be absolutely fucked.

So it would be ideal for them to beat City somehow. We sue them, they win. PL looks like it has balls and can take us down. They then lose on the charges, but it's less of a fallout because they've already had one win under their belt.

Back to the start - there's no fucking way this is what is happening.

 

[OntarioBlue]

Got to say, to a layman (which I am) it seems that the APT rules are there for good reason and I can't see why, of all things, we are trying to pick those apart.

Personally, I'm sick of it all to my stomach. I just want to watch football and celebrate my team. This is really detracting from the joy of the sport.

This is exactly how I feel as well. I have been a City fan for the best part of 60 years and all this “noise” is ruining my enjoyment of the game. I just want to watch my team play football. I am also struggling to understand why APT rules are a bad thing. I don’t really want to see a league where the team with the deepest pockets wins all the prizes.

 

[CC1]

Surely the club must be privy to evidence we aren’t? If not I’d seriously question the legal advice the club are receiving

absolutely but the journalist in The Times has taken a small section of a 165 page document and needless to say, it wasn't the best bits as far as City are concerned.

 

[ufo]

Because Khaldoon is willing to pay whatever it costs to blast these bastards out of the water. Make no mistake, he will succeed.

All i want for christmas is that infamous tape of “levelling up”.

 

[BlueRockape]

This is what I have been saying all along , let’s get a third party auditor and look into pl accounts.We can start with sky sponsorship and take it from there .

WH fan just said the same to me

 

[KS55]

Because Khaldoon is willing to pay whatever it costs to blast these bastards out of the water. Make no mistake, he will succeed.

PS Khaldoon said this a couple of years ago and it was no idle threat but Masters and the PL just sashay in and take him on. Suicide.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Not really - just said it would be difficult BUT nobody has seen the full paperwork - just a selection from a biased reporter

This is the crux. What exactly is in the documents? Atm nobody has a Scooby

 

[Kinkybyname]

...also writes for Daily (Sunday) Express, Daily Star (Sunday) and The People, as all owned by one company now

...also a fan of the Arse

 

[CC1]

This is a really worrying post as it means that the media propaganda has actually started to make some blues doubt.

People are being brainwashed into believing that the rules and related charges pushed on teams including us are somehow fair and ethical and put into place to protect us all, created by individuals who are inherently good and caring. And as result, anyone who challenges these rules must be corrupt and or untrustworthy as they are acting against these ethical rules set up by good people.

Now what if I blow your mind and push the notion that those creating these rules are in fact the very opposite of good and their rules are far from ethical, but rather put in place to protect their own empires from stronger more determined owners, owners who are willing to invest in their own products rather than trying to stop their competitors investing in theirs.

City are not the bad guys here, the bad guys are making the rules and forcing others by either sheer force or propaganda to implement and abide by those rules, rules to keep them in their little boxes.

Those who claim this view is pure fantasy and paranoia need look no further than Manchester United and Liverpool privately vetting the incoming head of the Premier League unbeknown to any of their rivals.

Make no mistake about it friend, the red shirt clubs have been pulling all the strings for decades, people have just been too brainwashed to see it

Well said. Unfortunately the media war against us - stoked by the red top clubs - has already convinced the public at large of our guilt and is now affecting our own fans who have been backing the club through thick and thin.

The whole thing is a shit show and the club is right to take steps to stop it once and for all because with the Simon Jodan's of this world having a very loud voice and lots of media coverage - we'll never be seen as a 'great\' club like utd and dippers, who have worked the system from day one

 

[IrishBlueSince92]

This is a really worrying post as it means that the media propaganda has actually started to make some blues doubt.

People are being brainwashed into believing that the rules and related charges pushed on teams including us are somehow fair and ethical and put into place to protect us all, created by individuals who are inherently good and caring. And as result, anyone who challenges these rules must be corrupt and or untrustworthy as they are acting against these ethical rules set up by good people.

Now what if I blow your mind and push the notion that those creating these rules are in fact the very opposite of good and their rules are far from ethical, but rather put in place to protect their own empires from stronger more determined owners, owners who are willing to invest in their own products rather than trying to stop their competitors investing in theirs.

City are not the bad guys here, the bad guys are making the rules and forcing others by either sheer force or propaganda to implement and abide by those rules, rules to keep them in their little boxes.

Those who claim this view is pure fantasy and paranoia need look no further than Manchester United and Liverpool privately vetting the incoming head of the Premier League unbeknown to any of their rivals.

Make no mistake about it friend, the red shirt clubs have been pulling all the strings for decades, people have just been too brainwashed to see it

Never mind all this talk of good guys and bad guys, its very hard to imagine that we're totally innocent of everything, to be perfectly honest.

So what's the end game here, if we do win the case and take the Premier League down as many City fans are calling

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

This is exactly how I feel as well. I have been a City fan for the best part of 60 years and all this “noise” is ruining my enjoyment of the game. I just want to watch my team play football. I am also struggling to understand why APT rules are a bad thing. I don’t really want to see a league where the team with the deepest pockets wins all the prizes.

It was always that long before we rocked up and from the conception of the game. I personally wouldn't be opposed to a true and equal version of the game. But that is in the form a draft system like the American sports where there are universal salary caps.

Not this current version where only those who are the biggest "commercially" get to spend the most.

 

[JTBlue1999]

This is exactly how I feel as well. I have been a City fan for the best part of 60 years and all this “noise” is ruining my enjoyment of the game. I just want to watch my team play football. I am also struggling to understand why APT rules are a bad thing. I don’t really want to see a league where the team with the deepest pockets wins all the prizes.

You can always tune it out for the next couple months until the Prem starts in August. If it's bothering you so much like you said, why pay attention to it? Seems unhealthy to me.

But if you want to point fingers at the people responsible for this circus of court cases, you should be starting with the Premier League / red cartel and not our own club. City didn't open this can of worms, the club just wants a level playing field and to not be discriminated against for having owners from the UAE.

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

Surely the club must be privy to evidence we aren’t? If not I’d seriously question the legal advice the club are receiving

I’m surprised nobody is learning from what The Premier League are doing to us. They’ve brought very public charges that they have at best a 50-50 chance of proving. Most agree on here they’re up against it. But the damage is done. Likewise, we have the wherewithal unlike other clubs to drag The Premier League through the courts too. It’s a massive headache for them. They’re still insisting on this kneeling before kick off occasionally, which is hypocritical. It also has the potential to cause a massive fracture with clubs like Newcastle and Villa realising they’ve been hamstrung. Winning would be nice but not massively important. Makes them think twice in the same way our books must now be the most scrutinised in the world by now.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Just asking a question regarding sponsorship and owner related companies.
Obviously our sponsorship is looked at and then decided if it fair market value by an independent company.
Am I right in saying that for example Emirates can sponsor arsenal for let's say 500 mil a year and this doesn't have to be looked at because Emirates don't not have anything to do with owning arsenal or are all sponsorship deals looked at by this independent company?

Fair market value should have nothing to do with related ownership matters.

 

[KS55]

This is what I have been saying all along , let’s get a third party auditor and look into pl accounts.We can start with sky sponsorship and take it from there .

Let’s get a third party auditor to look into the accounts of the redshirts.

 

[ufo]

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So there’s no conflict of interest here , just a regular day at the office.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Missed in all of this bullshit... is this...

What best serves fans, the P/L and C/L competitions?

Fans want to see top, top clubs competing, of course. Attracting the best players.

And the P/L obviously benefits from viewership. Domestically and internationally. If the P/L is at a disadvantage from attracting the best players, and the best players go to some other league as a consequence, then the P/L product is less worth watching.

The C/L benefits from actual competition. Who wants to watch Real Madrid win every single title after City is relegated?
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All of these so-called FFP play rules, both domestically and internationally need to go.

Instead, rules need to be put in place prohibiting a club going too far into debt to pay its bills. That's it. Current P/L and C/L rules having virtually nothing whatsoever to do with financial responsibility.

 

[kaz7]

I dont understand it but get in .Mr Pannick in action again, about time we took on the prem and the yanks , the cunts have been going for us for years

 

[dario2739]

This is a really worrying post as it means that the media propaganda has actually started to make some blues doubt.

People are being brainwashed into believing that the rules and related charges pushed on teams including us are somehow fair and ethical and put into place to protect us all, created by individuals who are inherently good and caring. And as result, anyone who challenges these rules must be corrupt and or untrustworthy as they are acting against these ethical rules set up by good people.

Now what if I blow your mind and push the notion that those creating these rules are in fact the very opposite of good and their rules are far from ethical, but rather put in place to protect their own empires from stronger more determined owners, owners who are willing to invest in their own products rather than trying to stop their competitors investing in theirs.

City are not the bad guys here, the bad guys are making the rules and forcing others by either sheer force or propaganda to implement and abide by those rules, rules to keep them in their little boxes.

Those who claim this view is pure fantasy and paranoia need look no further than Manchester United and Liverpool privately vetting the incoming head of the Premier League unbeknown to any of their rivals.

Make no mistake about it friend, the red shirt clubs have been pulling all the strings for decades, people have just been too brainwashed to see it

People don't realise the political machinations behind football at the highest level... it's always been thus, and three teams particularly have always been very close bedfellows at boardroom level... the very three we now call the Red Cartel.