City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

[eversince 76]

I think it would be very difficult to get damages if we were acquitted of the 115. The PL would maintain they were just doing their job. We would need to show bad faith. Perhaps the emails disclose something, otherwise we could be whistling in the dark.

The number mate. Look at the number. 115 charges. If that doesn’t do the trick for the FA and the red envy cartel, the number of 115 is bad faith enough.

 

[mancboy]

I think it would be very difficult to get damages if we were acquitted of the 115. The PL would maintain they were just doing their job. We would need to show bad faith. Perhaps the emails disclose something, otherwise we could be whistling in the dark.

also when you think about it the whole case is bad faith, they could have quite simply asked the club to refute the accusations made against us in a private setting and provide the evidence necessary, they chose not to do that, they chose to make it public, they have chosen to publicly insinuate that royalty, countries, massive investment vehicles, highly prominent businessman have been cooking the books for multiple years on the basis of 6 out of context emails, they have chosen to publicly smear the reputation of one of the founder members of the pl and also the previously mentioned people while at the same time privately dealing with a number of cases relating to certain other clubs, if that isnt acting in bad faith im not sure what is.

 

[richards30]

Surely not if we can prove they weren’t doing their job, in fact they were in cahoots with competitors.

Thats the story that the red top media is ignoring or refusing to think maybe possible? Just imagine that the premier league had indeed been complicit in targeting City and their owners by colluding with the american owners?

 

[mattcity5]

I would be stunned if there isnt one juicy comment or negative comment about gulf money or stopping City or changing rules etc in their emails or whatsapp.

Agree. I am sure as well that at some point or other a player will have decided against joining us and joined a rival partly due to having doubts about any potential punishment. Yes, we've coped pretty well and signed alternatives, but who knows if a player could have specifically said no because of the charges? Maybe we'd even have that info already.

 

[mancboy]

Thats the story that the red top media is ignoring or refusing to think maybe possible? Just imagine that the premier league had indeed been complicit in targeting City and their owners by colluding with the american owners?

as i have always said, why isnt every club subject to the forensic level of investigation that city were on the basis of some out of context evidence, why werent liverpool subject to the same liverpool of financial scrutiny after the stanley park fiasco, why havent the rags been investigated after failing uefas ffp regs, im not saying that any of them are guilty just that they should have been subject to the same level of investigation that we have been and the question should be asked why that hasnt been the case.

 

[SWP's back]

Don't understand that surely the rule applies to all the other clubs

Oh do one you rag ****.

 

[Centurions]

I think it would be very difficult to get damages if we were acquitted of the 115. The PL would maintain they were just doing their job. We would need to show bad faith. Perhaps the emails disclose something, otherwise we could be whistling in the dark.

I think you're getting the two cases mixed up? The damages have been mentioned in relation to this current case where we've taken the PL to task for the APT(sp?) changes, that's nothing to do with the November hearing (presumably).

 

[Blue Maverick]

as i have always said, why isnt every club subject to the forensic level of investigation that city were on the basis of some out of context evidence, why werent liverpool subject to the same liverpool of financial scrutiny after the stanley park fiasco, why havent the rags been investigated after failing uefas ffp regs, im not saying that any of them are guilty just that they should have been subject to the same level of investigation that we have been and the question should be asked why that hasnt been the case.

Because of the hacked emails, however had they been of the others I reckon they’d be inadmissible somehow

 

[mancboy]

Because of the hacked emails, however had they been of the others I reckon they’d be inadmissible somehow

But there in lies the point, they continued down the route of this investigation despite it being thrown by the highest sports related court in europe due to lack of evidence, so they continued this forensic backdated investigation into our finances despite having very little recourse to do so yet when certain clubs have financial irregularities which would give them the same amount of reason to do a deep dive into their finances the response predictable has been nothing to see here.

 

[KS55]

I think you're getting the two case mixed up? The damages have been mentioned in relation to this current case where we've taken the PL to task for the APT(sp?) changes, that's nothing to do with the November hearing (presumably).

Nope. See #5594 to which this is a reply.

 

[Silva61]

If we have been knocked back by the PL on new sponsorships and let's take the Etihad deal was running at around 66m per year, then what's a new deal worth for the PL champions and world club champions, unprecedented, so surely the only people who could give True market value are the sponsor themselves.

world's best can also add to this, the most watched Pl club on TV in the States, the biggest market in the world.
CFG giving the sponsor instant exposure to all four corners of the world.
An ownership that ploughs all profits to continue to become the world's best.
There must be others that don't come to mind.

 

[Coatigan]

Which is why City are also demanding a pound of flesh if we are successful.

Being paid damages sets an almighty precedent for an acquittal later this year.

If we want reparation from the Premier League for impacting sponsorship deals, goodness knows what the millions would run in to for reputational damage as a result of the 115 charges?

They have come after the source of our money while leaving themselves open to their own vault.

I think they are quite different things, and I don't think precedent really matters in either. It is one thing to claim damages for deals delayed due to introduction of rules that turn out to be illegal. It is another to look for damages of an investigation whether set rules were broken.

That's just speaking from a logical take, no legal claim there whatsoever.

 

[Centurions]

Nope. See #5594 to which this is a reply.

Yep, that's what happens when you take things out of context :)

Edit: my bad.

 

[Coatigan]

Don't understand that surely the rule applies to all the other clubs

It doesn't though, that's the point.

On paper, it might but its application does not. The assessment only happens to deals deemed associated, and the PL decide which parties are associated and then the 'true' value of those deals.

 

[KS55]

world's best can also add to this, the most watched Pl club on TV in the States, the biggest market in the world.
CFG giving the sponsor instant exposure to all four corners of the world.
An ownership that ploughs all profits to continue to become the world's best.
There must be others that don't come to mind.

Also growing on Indian tv, Etihads second target market.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

world's best can also add to this, the most watched Pl club on TV in the States, the biggest market in the world.
CFG giving the sponsor instant exposure to all four corners of the world.
An ownership that ploughs all profits to continue to become the world's best.
There must be others that don't come to mind.

Amazing to think we achieved all of this siimply by slipping a manager a few quid in a brown envelope!
Allegedly!

 

[old blue]

STOP PRESS.
Each tram depot was equipped with a reservoir filled from the mains feed with a compressor. Trams had a set of small reservoirs which were filled from the depots supply at 8 Atmospheres.
(Note the amazing technical detail. Google is your friend.)

The atmospheres were severely depleted by the time the trams reached the swamp.

 

[Tb1981]

I think it would be very difficult to get damages if we were acquitted of the 115. The PL would maintain they were just doing their job. We would need to show bad faith. Perhaps the emails disclose something, otherwise we could be whistling in the dark.

There will not be any emails that do any damage to the premier league
They will not hand them over or will pretend they don’t exist

That being said, it only gives city more ammunition if they don’t submit them, or if upon receipt it becomes clear they have not submitted the whole lot and have therefore acted in bad faith

Me personally I would get any emails that land that remotely show collusion or bad faith and I would immediately leak them.
Time to start fighting dirty

 

[Centurions]

There will not be any emails that do any damage to the premier league
They will not hand them over or will pretend they don’t exist

That being said, it only gives city more ammunition if they don’t submit them, or if upon receipt it becomes clear they have not submitted the whole lot and have therefore acted in bad faith

Me personally I would get any emails that land that remotely show collusion or bad faith and I would immediately leak them.
Time to start fighting dirty

Or we already have them and are waiting to see how transparent the PL are going to be?

 

[mancboy]

There will not be any emails that do any damage to the premier league
They will not hand them over or will pretend they don’t exist

That being said, it only gives city more ammunition if they don’t submit them, or if upon receipt it becomes clear they have not submitted the whole lot and have therefore acted in bad faith

Me personally I would get any emails that land that remotely show collusion or bad faith and I would immediately leak them.
Time to start fighting dirty

As you said they are stuck between a rock and a hard place with the email request, unless they are 100% squeaky clean which is hugely unlikely there will either be emails suggesting a level of collusion or maybe even worse for them gaps in the emails.