The Album Review Club - Week #191 (page 1286) - Harlequin Dream - Boy & Bear

Coatigan said:
Depends on how separable the two are. Generally, I do not. With this one, the two are way too intrinsically linked.
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That's just mental.
I could understand you not going to see an act live because you think the crowd will be not to your liking. But dismissing the music completely..?
I'm not even gonna ask what it is you think people that bought and like this album are like that makes you not listen.
 
Coatigan said:
I don't really know how to respond to this or whether I should. But your last sentence is quite good.
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Think I was just responding to the fact your tone for this pick is a bit atypical for you. I'm hardly going to call you out on this one given my approach to RH not so long ago but I tend to think of you as more measured than me.

You raise an interesting point about football levels of tribal antipathy that I've never really thought about before, I struggle to think of any bands or even genres where I have that sort of visceral reaction. It might be that I simply don't go to much live music these days and so I don't encounter twats on a regular enough basis to get annoyed with particular sets of fans.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Well you know straight away where I disagree.
Out of the list above I would have no place for Richard’s and don’t like EVH while recognising his technical ability. There’s such a thing as speed for speeds sake. EVH always gives me the feeling of ‘Look what I can do’ rather than can you feel where I’m going, come with me. ‘
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Oooh, poor take on EVH if you are linking him with speed for speed’s sake.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I think one of my favourites is the theme tune to ‘The Royle Family’ - Half the world Away.
A simple melodic sweet tune. Why am I drawn to this?
Well it’s well written like many of Noel’s tunes. I think more pertinent though, Noel sings it. Not Liam.
I think Liam may be a major stumbling block with me. Noel puts the emotion he felt when writing a tune into his vocalising it.
I just don’t like how Liam delivers even the best of their stuff.

‘I live my life for the stars that she-ine’

‘Is it my imagina-she-un’
Act-she-un
Sun-she—ine

It’s nasal. It drones. He effects the end of each line downwards on the scale and it becomes very annoying.

Now I fully appreciate that these same things that grate with me are great with fans of the band.

Would I appreciate the band better without Liam fronting it?
Good question. I’ll have to consider that on third listen.

I’m sure there are fans in hear thinking that’s sacrilege.
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I think you'll find there are more than just a few of us who prefer Noel on vocals to Liam, and I'll leave it at that prior to my write-up.
 
OB1 said:
Oooh, poor take on EVH if you are linking him with speed for speed’s sake.
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Never took to him.
That brand of American rock rarely grabs me. There’s no doubting the guy can play.

Edit: what do you think of Sammy Hagar.
 
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Don't look now, but Oasis is giving Radiohead a run for its money on the number of pages generated. We're 19 in after a day and a half.

Granted, we've got a whole 'best guitarists' side thread going too after Fog dropped the Rolling Stone list bomb, but it's pretty impressive nonetheless.

No matter how you slice it, people got thoughts on both bands! ;-)
 
Black&White&BlueMoon Town said:
Don't look now, but Oasis is giving Radiohead a run for its money on the number of pages generated. We're 19 in after a day and a half.

Granted, we've got a whole 'best guitarists' side thread going too after Fog dropped the Rolling Stone list bomb, but it's pretty impressive nonetheless.

No matter how you slice it, people got thoughts on both bands! ;-)
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I missed the Radiohead debate and appreciate they split the camp.





I like them.






For the most part.
 
A band that splits opinions, I'm in, and I have enjoyed all the banter, and constructive arguments.
Oasis.
Fuck me, where do we start?
Debut album you say?
Ok.
Well it's definitely up there if that's the criteria, even if it was somewhat press promoted with all the hype. From what I vaguely remember, this album was never gonna bomb, even if it was shit.
Are we judging this record on its own merit? Well that's a different story altogether.
Hype can sometimes mask mediocrity, and this recording does this at times.
Its a strange one.
When it came out I absolutely loved it, if you'd have asked me then I'd have given it a 10.
But it hasn't stood the test of time. Now it sounds like, well, something from 30 years ago really.
But that doesn't matter, because as a debut album, it left a marker that still warrants discussion today.
Liam, at the time, sang whatever noel wrote for him, and he did it well. I respect them both for that, noel, however, was only just starting, and has since written some belting tunes, while Liam, as successful as he is at self promotion, has become an oasis cover band front man if we're honest.
It's an album I remember with fondness, but rarely revisit.
A very personal record to me, but it's not one I've stayed in love of over the years, and it's really hard to explain.
I could do a track by track on this but it really isn't necessary, we all know by now.
7 out of 10
 
crublue1 said:
A band that splits opinions, I'm in, and I have enjoyed all the banter, and constructive arguments.
Oasis.
Fuck me, where do we start?
Debut album you say?
Ok.
Well it's definitely up there if that's the criteria, even if it was somewhat press promoted with all the hype. From what I vaguely remember, this album was never gonna bomb, even if it was shit.
Are we judging this record on its own merit? Well that's a different story altogether.
Hype can sometimes mask mediocrity, and this recording does this at times.
Its a strange one.
When it came out I absolutely loved it, if you'd have asked me then I'd have given it a 10.
But it hasn't stood the test of time. Now it sounds like, well, something from 30 years ago really.
But that doesn't matter, because as a debut album, it left a marker that still warrants discussion today.
Liam, at the time, sang whatever noel wrote for him, and he did it well. I respect them both for that, noel, however, was only just starting, and has since written some belting tunes, while Liam, as successful as he is at self promotion, has become an oasis cover band front man if we're honest.
It's an album I remember with fondness, but rarely revisit.
A very personal record to me, but it's not one I've stayed in love of over the years, and it's really hard to explain.
I could do a track by track on this but it really isn't necessary, we all know by now.
7 out of 10
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For a non fan, I totally get this.
I like this take on things.
 
Coatigan said:
Asked myself this question again over the course of the day, as that comment has clearly irked a few.

Would you for instance be able to enjoy the football of Utd for example, having experienced a bad side of their fanbase? Genuine question.
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Genuine answer: yes.
Spent almost 50 years getting shit off rags.
I went to Manchester and clapped their team on the parade after they won European Cup in 99. And I like little Mainoo.
I can't think of one band I'd swerve because other people that like them are wankers.
As it happens, I was living in a tent in a field in southern France when I first heard Definitely Maybe. Couldn't have been further away from the swaggering Manc youth or 'lad culture' that later engulfed the band.
Me and the still Mrs stoner spent our first month back in Blighty holed up in a bedroom in Nottingham and listened to the album constantly. If I was a soppy romantic type I would say it was the soundtrack to us falling in love, but I'm not so ill go with it was great to shag to.
The music is simple. No fucking about, bang those drums, bend them strings and belt out the vocals. It didn't need unpacking or analysing or much attention at all really. It just worked
10/10
 
stonerblue said:
Genuine answer: yes.
Spent almost 50 years getting shit off rags.
I went to Manchester and clapped their team on the parade after they won European Cup in 99. And I like little Mainoo.
I can't think of one band I'd swerve because other people that like them are wankers.
As it happens, I was living in a tent in a field in southern France when I first heard Definitely Maybe. Couldn't have been further away from the swaggering Manc youth or 'lad culture' that later engulfed the band.
Me and the still Mrs stoner spent our first month back in Blighty holed up in a bedroom in Nottingham and listened to the album constantly. If I was a soppy romantic type I would say it was the soundtrack to us falling in love, but I'm not so ill go with it was great to shag to.
The music is simple. No fucking about, bang those drums, bend them strings and belt out the vocals. It didn't need unpacking or analysing or much attention at all really. It just worked
10/10
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You've spoilt that girl
 
crublue1 said:
A band that splits opinions, I'm in, and I have enjoyed all the banter, and constructive arguments.
Oasis.
Fuck me, where do we start?
Debut album you say?
Ok.
Well it's definitely up there if that's the criteria, even if it was somewhat press promoted with all the hype. From what I vaguely remember, this album was never gonna bomb, even if it was shit.
Are we judging this record on its own merit? Well that's a different story altogether.
Hype can sometimes mask mediocrity, and this recording does this at times.
Its a strange one.
When it came out I absolutely loved it, if you'd have asked me then I'd have given it a 10.
But it hasn't stood the test of time. Now it sounds like, well, something from 30 years ago really.
But that doesn't matter, because as a debut album, it left a marker that still warrants discussion today.
Liam, at the time, sang whatever noel wrote for him, and he did it well. I respect them both for that, noel, however, was only just starting, and has since written some belting tunes, while Liam, as successful as he is at self promotion, has become an oasis cover band front man if we're honest.
It's an album I remember with fondness, but rarely revisit.
A very personal record to me, but it's not one I've stayed in love of over the years, and it's really hard to explain.
I could do a track by track on this but it really isn't necessary, we all know by now.
7 out of 10
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Gotta disagree on the test of time bit.
I think if you can forget about all the shit that surrounds the band and the brothers and the hands in the air karaoke hordes and, like georgie boy said, listen without prejudice, then at least half the album is still very listenable.
Was belting out Slide Away in the car this affy and it still works
 
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