Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

Still can’t understand why Labour win every election in Wales. It’s almost as if the largest proportion of Welsh voters don’t think Wales has been in decline since 1997, although I suspect most think that’s the case over the last 3 years - not because of their Labour led assembly but because the EU funding dried up without being replaced as promised by Johnson.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Are you getting confused with George Galloway's party?
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Them too obviously. Is there any party that has not been mired in such accusations over the last few years? I'm voting green - even if their leader does hypnotise birds into thinking they have bigger tits.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
You seem to be fixated on the fact everyone associated with Reform is totally 100% Racist. I don't believe this is the case there are degrees of belief and commitment

I know that my opinion might, or probably would, change if I thought there was a chance, a slither of a chance that Reform could win and form the next Government but that just isn't going to happen. So I am comfortable using my vote to the best effect that I can to dislodge the Labour government that I distrust less than the Tories.
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No, there’s no shades of grey. Either someone is a racist or they aren’t. You just can’t be 36.4% racist.
 
Chris in London said:
No, there’s no shades of grey. Either someone is a racist or they aren’t. You just can’t be 36.4% racist.
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I'll ask this question then...

Is someone racist if they hate Jews and people with different colour skin and different religious beliefs? I'm going to take a punt here and say you would call them racists - apologies if I'm wrong there.

By the same reckoning. Is someone racist if they are concerned about the number of people illegally entering our country and who wish to be British and would like steps to be taken to prevent it happening? I would suggest that is NOT racism or racist behaviour personally, it is just a viewpoint and an opinion which in this land of free speech we're entitled to hold... what about you?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
I'll ask this question then...

Is someone racist if they hate Jews and people with different colour skin and different religious beliefs? I'm going to take a punt here and say you would call them racists - apologies if I'm wrong there.

By the same reckoning. Is someone racist if they are concerned about the number of people illegally entering our country and who wish to be British and would like steps to be taken to prevent it happening? I would suggest that is NOT racism or racist behaviour personally, it is just a viewpoint and an opinion which in this land of free speech we're entitled to hold... what about you?
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The first is plainly racist, the second is plainly not. The problem with Reform is that a very high proportion of their candidates and election workers plainly hold racist views.

Including Farage himself.

If you aren’t arsed about that, that’s on you.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
I'll ask this question then...

Is someone racist if they hate Jews and people with different colour skin and different religious beliefs? I'm going to take a punt here and say you would call them racists - apologies if I'm wrong there.

By the same reckoning. Is someone racist if they are concerned about the number of people illegally entering our country and who wish to be British and would like steps to be taken to prevent it happening? I would suggest that is NOT racism or racist behaviour personally, it is just a viewpoint and an opinion which in this land of free speech we're entitled to hold... what about you?
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"Is someone racist if they are concerned about the number of people ILLEGALLY entering our country and who wish to be British and would like steps to be taken to prevent it happening?"
You mentioned "illegally" so no...they're respecting the law. But Reform voters aren't bothered if they're legal or not. They just put them all under "immigrants".
Reform is just a big lie to attract those kinds of people. People that believe climate change isn't real. People that refused the vaccine. People that hate immigrants.
 
Farage on loose women insisting the foul mouth **** spouting hate on C4 doco is an actor , when asked why do people who have racist views follow you from party to party ? He says because they dont have the BNP to go to and he is not far right or a racist , ok then ...

Props to loose women presenters for the questions , bravo ladies
 
One thing is for sure we have always reached out to make something illegal to keep out all those people we didn't want and the fact that we have Jews, Germans, black people, brown people here despite our best efforts which shows how bad we are at doing it and why we never learn our lessons as this time line shows

refugeehistory.org

Timeline — Refugee History.

refugeehistory.org refugeehistory.org
 
The problem is there are many people who would agree with shooting the migrants as they enter the ports. I live in a racist town and I know plenty who think Farage is just saying what most people are scared to say. They would have the Royal Navy shooting them out of the water. Crocodiles patrolling our shores to stop migrants getting in.

It's a political trick as old as time to use migrants to explain all your ills. But thick bastards will always fall for it.

That's how the Tories won all the red wall seats at the last election
 
kaz7 said:
Farage on loose women insisting the foul mouth **** spouting hate on C4 doco is an actor , when asked why do people who have racist views follow you from party to party ? He says because they dont have the BNP to go to and he is not far right or a racist , ok then ...

Props to loose women presenters for the questions , bravo ladies
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Problem with Farage's logic is that everything lives in a silo - it is possible to be an actor - be a supporter/activist for a Political Party AND be a racist all at the same time.

Neil Oliver still has an MA is still a historian as he retains that knowledge and is a TV presenter all at the same time - the fact that he is also an anti-vax conspiracy theory spreading mental case at the same time
 
kaz7 said:
Farage on loose women insisting the foul mouth **** spouting hate on C4 doco is an actor , when asked why do people who have racist views follow you from party to party ? He says because they dont have the BNP to go to and he is not far right or a racist , ok then ...

Props to loose women presenters for the questions , bravo ladies
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I didn't see Loose Women, but all the focus on a member, and the nonsense conspiracy theories around him being an actor, just play into Farage's hand. Another "establishment plot" is a boost for him.

The real issue should be all the senior party officials chatting outside the pub, who were making absolutely shocking comments too. Any other party would have thrown them out.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Problem with Farage's logic is that everything lives in a silo - it is possible to be an actor - be a supporter/activist for a Political Party AND be a racist all at the same time.

Neil Oliver still has an MA is still a historian as he retains that knowledge and is a TV presenter all at the same time - the fact that he is also an anti-vax conspiracy theory spreading mental case at the same time
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He was lying worse than trump , easy to see through
 
bluenova said:
I didn't see Loose Women, but all the focus on a member, and the nonsense conspiracy theories around him being an actor, just play into Farage's hand. Another "establishment plot" is a boost for him.

The real issue should be all the senior party officials chatting outside the pub, who were making absolutely shocking comments too. Any other party would have thrown them out.
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He has thrown someone out but not sure which one
 
bluethrunthru said:
Problem with Farage's logic is that everything lives in a silo - it is possible to be an actor - be a supporter/activist for a Political Party AND be a racist all at the same time.

Neil Oliver still has an MA is still a historian as he retains that knowledge and is a TV presenter all at the same time - the fact that he is also an anti-vax conspiracy theory spreading mental case at the same time
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Farage knows full well he's not a plant. He's just using it as a distraction.
 
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