The Cartel must be losing their minds..

We did similar with Danilo and Cancelo

Juve overpaid us €20m for Danilo and we did the same for Cancelo

Immediate profit for the sales and five years amortisation on the bought players
Think Villa and Chelsea doing the same thing:
Villa are also selling Omari Kellyman to Chelsea for £19m just two years after signing him from Derby for £600,000. The midfielder has made just six appearances for the club.
Ian Maatsen, Chelsea’s defender who spent the second half of last season on loan at Borussia Dortmund, is heading to Villa for £37.5m.

Wonder who the moaning clubs are :

The Premier League has written to every club after “a significant number requested clarification” following the recent swap deals.

Some clubs are concerned that rivals could be looking to sell each other players in order to exploit any loopholes in PSR and therefore limit their losses.

There is no suggestion clubs have broken the rules but they have been told by the league’s director of governance that part of a transfer fee would have to be returned by the selling club if it decides a fee had been “inflated”.
 
Think Villa and Chelsea doing the same thing:
Villa are also selling Omari Kellyman to Chelsea for £19m just two years after signing him from Derby for £600,000. The midfielder has made just six appearances for the club.
Ian Maatsen, Chelsea’s defender who spent the second half of last season on loan at Borussia Dortmund, is heading to Villa for £37.5m.

Wonder who the moaning clubs are :

The Premier League has written to every club after “a significant number requested clarification” following the recent swap deals.

Some clubs are concerned that rivals could be looking to sell each other players in order to exploit any loopholes in PSR and therefore limit their losses.

There is no suggestion clubs have broken the rules but they have been told by the league’s director of governance that part of a transfer fee would have to be returned by the selling club if it decides a fee had been “inflated”.
I know they're not your words, but the rags signed Antony for £90m. Inflated isn't a thing anymore.
 
Premier League have now apparently reminded all clubs of acting in good faith regarding reciprocating transfers to get around financial rules.

Now, whilst I agree completely that clubs are doing this to get around the rules, for the Premier League to choose now do all times to pipe up about good faith, is pathetic.

Where was the good faith when all those clubs signed Arsenal's letterhead statement asking for city to be banned before any hearing even took place?

Where was the good faith when Liverpool hacked our scouting system?

Where was the good faith when Arsenal yet again leaked details of our legal and financial dealings to the media?

Where was the good faith when Liverpool tapped up Van Dyke from Southampton, then issued a statement saying they'd cease wooing him immediately, only to go and sign him anyway a few months later?

Where is the good faith when Klopp said us winning at CAS was a bad day for football? Rivals mentioning us buying success nearly every press conference during title run ins?

Where was the good faith when united's fans pre-organised a demonstration specifically designed to get a game cancelled because the club had too many injuries?

Trouble is, like much of the above, it's not provable. So you want to slam Everton with another charge for buying a villa player, and villa with the same for buying and Everton player? Ok, good luck proving they weren't separately tracking and scouting the players, negotiating separately and acting independently.

Selling players between clubs like Everton, Villa and Chelsea are doing is not in the spirit of the game. It's not good faith. Its not sustainable. But it's what happens when such inept and potentially illegal constraints are put upon member clubs when business and money is at risk, and where there is already such a feeling of differential treatment and standing based on what we see every day and have seen for decades already.

Unless they want to enforce a system where transfer fees, even wages, are calculated and known, possibly even capped, then selling clubs will charge whatever they want and, of a club is willing to buy at that price, it's automatically fair market value. Who's to say otherwise? Of course that would mean grealish would have probably cost us half of what we paid.

Premier League made this issue for themselves, and any kind of effective regulation now is to the detriment of the brand value, and they know it and they're not about to shove a cork up the arse of the golden goose.
Goid post mate.
 
Think Villa and Chelsea doing the same thing:
Villa are also selling Omari Kellyman to Chelsea for £19m just two years after signing him from Derby for £600,000. The midfielder has made just six appearances for the club.
Ian Maatsen, Chelsea’s defender who spent the second half of last season on loan at Borussia Dortmund, is heading to Villa for £37.5m.

Wonder who the moaning clubs are :

The Premier League has written to every club after “a significant number requested clarification” following the recent swap deals.

Some clubs are concerned that rivals could be looking to sell each other players in order to exploit any loopholes in PSR and therefore limit their losses.

There is no suggestion clubs have broken the rules but they have been told by the league’s director of governance that part of a transfer fee would have to be returned by the selling club if it decides a fee had been “inflated”.
Oh dear, another can of worms.
There's gonna be a shortage of lawyers soon.
 
Premier League have now apparently reminded all clubs of acting in good faith regarding reciprocating transfers to get around financial rules.

Now, whilst I agree completely that clubs are doing this to get around the rules, for the Premier League to choose now do all times to pipe up about good faith, is pathetic.

Where was the good faith when all those clubs signed Arsenal's letterhead statement asking for city to be banned before any hearing even took place?

Where was the good faith when Liverpool hacked our scouting system?

Where was the good faith when Arsenal yet again leaked details of our legal and financial dealings to the media?

Where was the good faith when Liverpool tapped up Van Dyke from Southampton, then issued a statement saying they'd cease wooing him immediately, only to go and sign him anyway a few months later?

Where is the good faith when Klopp said us winning at CAS was a bad day for football? Rivals mentioning us buying success nearly every press conference during title run ins?

Where was the good faith when united's fans pre-organised a demonstration specifically designed to get a game cancelled because the club had too many injuries?

Trouble is, like much of the above, it's not provable. So you want to slam Everton with another charge for buying a villa player, and villa with the same for buying and Everton player? Ok, good luck proving they weren't separately tracking and scouting the players, negotiating separately and acting independently.

Selling players between clubs like Everton, Villa and Chelsea are doing is not in the spirit of the game. It's not good faith. Its not sustainable. But it's what happens when such inept and potentially illegal constraints are put upon member clubs when business and money is at risk, and where there is already such a feeling of differential treatment and standing based on what we see every day and have seen for decades already.

Unless they want to enforce a system where transfer fees, even wages, are calculated and known, possibly even capped, then selling clubs will charge whatever they want and, of a club is willing to buy at that price, it's automatically fair market value. Who's to say otherwise? Of course that would mean grealish would have probably cost us half of what we paid.

Premier League made this issue for themselves, and any kind of effective regulation now is to the detriment of the brand value, and they know it and they're not about to shove a cork up the arse of the golden goose.
Top post but the rule about acting in utmost good faith only seems to apply to us.

But when people say this is a loophole, or a way to get round PSR, and there's no rules against it, they're wrong. The PL require accurate accounts and we're being investigated for falsifying our financial accounts by inflating sponsorships (which we haven't).

If two clubs swap academy players who are worth, say, £10m each, but put them through the books at £25m, that will inflate their accounts by £15m. Knowingly doing that is fraud & false accounting, pure and simple, and they should be charged accordingly.
 
Top post but the rule about acting in utmost good faith only seems to apply to us.

But when people say this is a loophole, or a way to get round PSR, and there's no rules against it, they're wrong. The PL require accurate accounts and we're being investigated for falsifying our financial accounts by inflating sponsorships (which we haven't).

If two clubs swap academy players who are worth, say, £10m each, but put them through the books at £25m, that will inflate their accounts by £15m. Knowingly doing that is fraud & false accounting, pure and simple, and they should be charged accordingly.
Prove it though. Need evidence and what PL are suggesting is that THEY determine the price of a transfer, a very slippery slope to actual cheating in football.
 
Prove it though. Need evidence and what PL are suggesting is that THEY determine the price of a transfer, a very slippery slope to actual cheating in football.
With the advent of AI, it's potentially quite straightforward. Feed in all the data on transfers, such as the player's age, position they play, appearances, caps, goals, assists, remaining length of contract, wages, injury record, the selling club and any other pertinent details (which might include the financial state of a club, or even the football industry as a whole)

And when you put an individual player in a number pops out. You could even keep an updated figure for every player, adjusted for various factors. That could also potentially reduce or even eliminate transfer fee inflation.
 
With the advent of AI, it's potentially quite straightforward. Feed in all the data on transfers, such as the player's age, position they play, appearances, caps, goals, assists, remaining length of contract, wages, injury record, the selling club and any other pertinent details (which might include the financial state of a club, or even the football industry as a whole)

And when you put an individual player in a number pops out. You could even keep an updated figure for every player, adjusted for various factors. That could also potentially reduce or even eliminate transfer fee inflation.
Cartel won’t like that lol Fairness isn’t what they’re after.
 

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