North Stand Construction Discussion

HelloCity said:
Trying to fit hospitality, premium seats, standard seats and safe standing into this one tier is going would result in an absolute dogs dinner.

I don’t think the club is going to give the fans what they want. A proper ‘City end’ that can be turned into a huge blue wall made up of safe standing, banners, cheaper tickets and the like.

The prospect of this enlarged 2nd tier, as opposed to a 3rd tier, really made fans take notice of the possibilities since there’s not been terracing like this in the stadium before. The size of it makes one think of the kop, yellow wall or even the Kippax, where thousands can gather in one large area rather than be spread thin over multiple tiers.

If the club chose not to go with the ‘City end’ / ‘blue wall’ environment, I’d be absolutely confused as to why they wanted to develop an enlarged 2nd tier in the first place. If they want to put hospitality at the front and the middle then I think a 3rd tier expansion would have been the best approach. The 2nd tier could have had a hospitality section in the middle like the South Stand and the front rows could have been 93:20 style offerings as well. No one would really have batted an eyelid - apart from those already sat there of course…!
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I agree.

I honestly don't see how City can shoehorn every type of fan and their match day requirements on to NSL2.

It will be like having SSL1, the 115 singing section, and fans standing, normal priced seats for fans who want to sit and watch the match in quiet, and hospitality like the Ardwick all on SSL3. Then add a youth block, etc. The only way the club can do that is by carving up NSL2 for specific fan requirements. That is only going to cause conflict across NSL2 with groups of fans complaining about each other.
 
jrb said:
I agree.

I honestly don't see how City can shoehorn every type of fan and their match day requirements on to NSL2.

It will be like having SSL1, the 115 singing section, and fans standing, normal priced seats for fans who want to sit and watch the match, and hospitality like the Ardwick all on SSL3. Then add a youth block, etc. The only way the club can do that is by carving up NSL2 for specific fan requirements. That is only going to cause conflict across NSL2 with groups of fans complaining about each other.
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Don't forget ambulant users as well ;).

I kid, I kid. I think you are overcomplicating it though. At the end of the day, it is 8000 new spaces. 8% of them allegedly with padding and a slightly more direct access to a bar, 5% proper hospitality up in the heavens, boxes booths the lot.

But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Won't be the last time.
 
Coatigan said:
Don't forget ambulant users as well ;).

I kid, I kid. I think you are overcomplicating it though. At the end of the day, it is 8000 new spaces. 8% of them allegedly with padding and a slightly more direct access to a bar, 5% proper hospitality up in the heavens, boxes booths the lot.

But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Won't be the last time.
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It's not complaining. I'm discussing what could happen. Obviously there are numerous scenarios that will play out before the club makes it's final decisions on the NSL2 layout.

Hypothetical I know.

Putting fans who want to stand, wave flags and sing at the back of NSL2, which has been mentioned. I don't think the people who have booked premium hotel rooms with a balcony at the back of NSL2 will be happy about that. :-(

I will never forget about our ambulant fans. They are a very important part of our match day going fan base and deserve their own seating area. :-)
 
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I live so far away and my health isn’t good these day so I am not really qualified to comment on the various requirements of various sections of the audience regarding the new expansion. But I do wish there was a bit more positivity regarding this investment and all the others that City’s owners have made since the takeover. Back in the Swales and Lee eras, City could easily have done a Bury or Derby County, so please appreciate the good times.
 
Bournemouth Blue said:
I live so far away and my health isn’t good these day so I am not really qualified to comment on the various requirements of various sections of the audience regarding the new expansion. But I do wish there was a bit more positivity regarding this investment and all the others that City’s owners have made since the takeover. Back in the Swales and Lee eras, City could easily have done a Bury or Derby County, so please appreciate the good times.
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We do mate.

We're just discussing every possible scenario that NSL2 could throw up.

We all want the new North stand to work, to be successful, and to be a home end for City fans.
 
HelloCity said:
Trying to fit hospitality, premium seats, standard seats and safe standing into this one tier is going would result in an absolute dogs dinner.

I don’t think the club is going to give the fans what they want. A proper ‘City end’ that can be turned into a huge blue wall made up of safe standing, banners, cheaper tickets and the like.

The prospect of this enlarged 2nd tier, as opposed to a 3rd tier, really made fans take notice of the possibilities since there’s not been terracing like this in the stadium before. The size of it makes one think of the kop, yellow wall or even the Kippax, where thousands can gather in one large area rather than be spread thin over multiple tiers.

If the club chose not to go with the ‘City end’ / ‘blue wall’ environment, I’d be absolutely confused as to why they wanted to develop an enlarged 2nd tier in the first place. If they want to put hospitality at the front and the middle then I think a 3rd tier expansion would have been the best approach. The 2nd tier could have had a hospitality section in the middle like the South Stand and the front rows could have been 93:20 style offerings as well. No one would really have batted an eyelid - apart from those already sat there of course…!
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Well said
 
Bournemouth Blue said:
I live so far away and my health isn’t good these day so I am not really qualified to comment on the various requirements of various sections of the audience regarding the new expansion. But I do wish there was a bit more positivity regarding this investment and all the others that City’s owners have made since the takeover. Back in the Swales and Lee eras, City could easily have done a Bury or Derby County, so please appreciate the good times.
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Agreed! Been an absolute dream and now building something truly special alongside a new indoor supper arena as well? Brought us Pep and more trophies then we could ever have dreamed off…….. But it’s not enough, I WANT MORE!! ;-)
 
jrb said:
It's not complaining. I'm discussing what could happen. Obviously there are numerous scenarios that will play out before the club makes it's final decisions on the NSL2 layout.

Hypothetical I know.

Putting fans who want to stand, wave flags* and sing at the back of NSL2, which has been mentioned. I don't think the people who have booked premium hotel rooms with a balcony at the back of NSL2 will be happy about that. :-(

I will never forget about our ambulant fans. They are a very important part of our match day going fan base and deserve their own seating area. :-)
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*I go to watch a football game, love a bit of singing, a bit of banter with the away fans but any **** who waves a flag in front of me for the best part of a game can fuck right off, I've paid good money to watch The Champions and I don't need some tosser blocking my view... Apart from that I totally agree.
 
Maybe keep the GA+ as some sort of premium safe standing, call it Club Kippax or something and have a priority window for existing ST holders that might want to join, and call the private bar intended for it 'Helens' or something.

If it's a proper home end they go for and still want some sort of premium seating in there this could be the best approach as well as paying homage to the Maine Road days.
 
moggymoz said:
*I go to watch a football game, love a bit of singing, a bit of banter with the away fans but any **** who waves a flag in front of me for the best part of a game can fuck right off, I've paid good money to watch The Champions and I don't need some tosser blocking my view... Apart from that I totally agree.
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Suppose that's why it would be well disclaimed that flags may block your view in particular parts of the stand.

If you're given notice before buying your ST or match ticket that this is a reserved block for this activity they could advise to stand in the next block along where your view won't be impeded
 
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HelloCity said:
They should have just built another 3rd tier to save all the downers that are going to follow. Put the corporate in the 2nd tier and have safe standing up top in the 3rd.

It’s going to be bizarre having this enlarged area mixed with seats, possibly standing, and various bits of hospitality.
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Exactly what I'm afraid of.
 
moggymoz said:
*I go to watch a football game, love a bit of singing, a bit of banter with the away fans but any **** who waves a flag in front of me for the best part of a game can fuck right off, I've paid good money to watch The Champions and I don't need some tosser blocking my view... Apart from that I totally agree.
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The flags aren’t waved during the game. The flags are only waved before kick off on SSL1. Before the game starts the flags are taken back to the top of SSL1 by the 1894 lads. So my point about waving the flags at the back of NSL2 is some what mute, as that won’t happen during the game. Didn’t think before posting that. :-/
 
jrb said:
It's not complaining. I'm discussing what could happen. Obviously there are numerous scenarios that will play out before the club makes it's final decisions on the NSL2 layout.

Hypothetical I know.

Putting fans who want to stand, wave flags and sing at the back of NSL2, which has been mentioned. I don't think the people who have booked premium hotel rooms with a balcony at the back of NSL2 will be happy about that. :-(

I will never forget about our ambulant fans. They are a very important part of our match day going fan base and deserve their own seating area. :-)
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Did not think, or suggest you were, complaining. I said complicating, which refers to the speculation. I could well be oversimplifying it, we are both guessing here.

Mate if I were ever to be fortunate enough to book one of those premium rooms, flags, singing and atmosphere is Exactly what I would be paying for and wanting. That's what I imagine is what the club are hoping will sell them. Rather than 'the seat counter suite' which I doubt would be that popular.
 
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Coatigan said:
Did not think, or suggest you were, complaining. I said complicating, which refers to the speculation. I could well be oversimplifying it, we are both guessing here.

Mate if I were ever to be fortunate enough to book one of those premium rooms, flags, singing and atmosphere is Exactly what I would be paying for and wanting. That's what I imagine is what the club are hoping will sell them. Rather than 'the seat counter suite' which I doubt would be that popular.
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Not having a good night tonight. Misread it. Apologies.

Believe it or not I’m still optimistic about how NSL2 will pan out, even though my post didn’t come across like that. What we all want is NSL2 to be a proper home end. It’s good to know all the fan representatives are pushing for that. And the club knows that. Surely that must count for something, even if the clubs main priority is to increase match day revenue from the expanded North stand.
 
richards30 said:
Agreed! Been an absolute dream and now building something truly special alongside a new indoor supper arena as well? Brought us Pep and more trophies then we could ever have dreamed off…….. But it’s not enough, I WANT MORE!! ;-)
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Make the seats as padded as possible, this is an incredible and magnificent investment by the club.

The more people that come to our stadium and support our club the better, more revenue, more exposure and more great players and coaches arrive at the club.
 
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