President Trump

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I hope Buttigieg gets the nod personally but theres no way the loons there would vote for a gay man, they cant even bring themselves to vote for a woman yet

The loons aren't voting for anyone not named Trump so Buttigieg is fine.

It doesn't matter now anyhow. There isn't anyone at this late date who can galvanize the blue electorate, let alone the whole electorate. I said from the very beginning that for blues this was all about voter turnout. Well, now, it doesn't matter because turnout for a crippled candidate will always be lower, and every single Democrat is now crippled, whether its Biden or someone else who has no time (not to mention money) to run a strategic let alone aggressive campaign. And every day the party isn't galvanized behind one person -- any person -- is another day closer to Trump winning, almost by default, because even though his base has probably dwindled in numbers, they are 100% going to show up, and Democrats now aren't, unless the "issues" become the candidate, which they often don't.

I also said after Biden was elected that he should announce that he'll be a one-term President shortly into his term so Democrats could plan for a transition, although I knew that risked party unification (if Biden was a lame duck, progressives might not be willing to work with him). Now we see the consequences, though it's fair to say the consequences might have also been bad had he pre-announced it as well.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Can someone explain why Trump is allowed to use funds raised for his campaign to pay for his personal and company legal bills? Seems bizarre

He isn't.

Hence the hush money court case he's trying to get thrown out thanks to his mates on SCOTUS arguing the payments were official acts therefore he's immune.

 

[roman totale]

Seems like Putin's messenger boy is about to deliver orders to his errand boy....

Scoop: Trump will meet with Hungary's Viktor Orban in Florida on Thursday, per sources.

Orban also paid a visit to Xi Jinping in China this week, following a trip to Azerbaijan earlier.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...mp-in-florida-after-nato-summit?sref=yYYRek8e

 

[The blue phantom]

Seems like Putin's messenger boy is about to deliver orders to his errand boy....

Scoop: Trump will meet with Hungary's Viktor Orban in Florida on Thursday, per sources.

Orban also paid a visit to Xi Jinping in China this week, following a trip to Azerbaijan earlier.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...mp-in-florida-after-nato-summit?sref=yYYRek8e

He adores Orban for the way he runs Hungary. There's no two ways about it this is how he wants to run America if he gets in.

 

[KS55]

While we are snidely denigrating America, tell your friend that America is not now, nor has it even been, a democracy…or read a book. But, that money is speech in America and bribery is allowed now!

The Founding Fathers were dead set AGAINST a democracy because they feared the autocratic leader that declared himself King. Therefore, they created a separate, but equal, three branches of government to create checks and balances. The one branch which had been considered apolitical (Judicial) and thus the overseer of the political branch (Legislative) has become a political club of the far right, while the other two branches (Legislative & Executive) are strongly contested along increasingly divided political lines.

Unfortunately, we have recently discovered that a SCOTUS (Judicial Branch) that has accepted bribes, but believes itself to be above the law, has now created (out of thin air) an Executive Branch that has broad immunity from prosecution, and is thus LITERALLY above the law, no matter the level of corruption or deceit, if undertaken as part of the presidency. Indeed, if Keir Starmer had a 12 year old daughter and Trump came to England on a state visit, Trump could fuck her and claim immunity from prosecution, rather than becoming a convicted pedophile! All part of his gig as President!

All Hail, King Donald the First!

In related news, the Supremes, feeling like they’re on a roll, CODIFIED LEGAL BRIBERY FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS!!!

If I tell Senator (or President!) that if they do what I ask of them I will give them a healthy “tip” for their efforts, that is now perfectly legal! I’m sure it has nothing to do with Kennedy and Scalia, and now Alito and Thomas sucking down MAJOR RIGHT WING DONOR GIFTS AND LOAN PAYOFFS!!

IT IS A FUCKING DISGRACE AND YET ANOTHER BRICK IN THE FASCIST WALL BEING BUILT BY THE RIGHT WING IN AMERICA.

PROJECT 2025 IS ALIVE AND FLOURISHING!

Trumps immunity stops at the outer limits of any other country. The crime mentioned here taking place in UK would be prosecuted.

 

[roman totale]

He adores Orban for the way he runs Hungary. There's no two ways about it this is how he wants to run America if he gets in.

I know it’s splitting hairs, but the ultimate goal is to run the US like Russia. Orban and Hungary are simply there to provide Putin with a proxy to soften the illusion for the simple-minded trump voter.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

While we are snidely denigrating America, tell your friend that America is not now, nor has it even been, a democracy…

I disagree with the "America isn't a democracy" point of view. America, in my view, is a democratic republic and as such is both a democracy and a republic.

See, for example:

Democracy or Republic: What's the difference?

And which is the United States?

www.merriam-webster.com

I have heard this point of view for decades though - my boy scout leader from ages bygone used to proclaim that America is a republic, not a democracy.

 

[mrbelfry]

It’s always that one party.

Maybe asking for trouble but I'm genuinely interested in @Bigga's opinion of Candace Owen. He has highlighted some of her stuff before but it does feel a little to me like she has become a little more extreme recently

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Trumps immunity stops at the outer limits of any other country. The crime mentioned here taking place in UK would be prosecuted.

No, it wouldn’t. He would claim diplomatic immunity, the British would (could) never hold him, and he couldn’t be held to account in the USA now!

Think for a minute what you are saying? The UK would jail the leader of their largest and staunchest ally, who is not only in charge of the military, but protected at all times by a phalanx of armed guards who vow to take a bullet for him?? Seriously?

If you think the 1770s were bad, try enacting a coup d’etat of theUSA on British soil and watch what happens!

You couldn’t even snag your own politicians in Operation Yewtree, but you’re going to snag the POTUS? LOL!!!

 

[mexico1970]

No, it wouldn’t. He would claim diplomatic immunity, the British would (could) never hold him, and he couldn’t be held to account in the USA now!

Think for a minute what you are saying? The UK would jail the leader of their largest and staunchest ally, who is not only in charge of the military, but protected at all times by a phalanx of armed guards who vow to take a bullet for him?? Seriously?

If you think the 1770s were bad, try enacting a coup d’etat of theUSA on British soil and watch what happens!

You couldn’t even snag your own politicians in Operation Yewtree, but you’re going to snag the POTUS? LOL!!!

Leaders of countries don't get arrested in modern countries if they did it would be bedlam.

 

[KS55]

No, it wouldn’t. He would claim diplomatic immunity, the British would (could) never hold him, and he couldn’t be held to account in the USA now!

Think for a minute what you are saying? The UK would jail the leader of their largest and staunchest ally, who is not only in charge of the military, but protected at all times by a phalanx of armed guards who vow to take a bullet for him?? Seriously?

If you think the 1770s were bad, try enacting a coup d’etat of theUSA on British soil and watch what happens!

You couldn’t even snag your own politicians in Operation Yewtree, but you’re going to snag the POTUS? LOL!!!

It is normal to give up diplomatic immunity for serious crimes but the US sometimes does not do so. If found guilty, he could be expelled rather than jailed. All very hypothetical because his tiny member probably could not go thru with it.
Note operation yew tree was mounted against innocent people by a lunatic police officer relying on the word of a fantasist.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I disagree with the "America isn't a democracy" point of view. America, in my view, is a democratic republic and as such is both a democracy and a republic.

See, for example:

Democracy or Republic: What's the difference?

And which is the United States?

www.merriam-webster.com

I have heard this point of view for decades though - my boy scout leader from ages bygone used to proclaim that America is a republic, not a democracy.

For the purpose of the election of the President (see Donald Trump thread!) it is not a democracy, it is a republic, such that the last few Republican Presidents have been elected by a significant MINORITY of the votes, but passed the threshold 270 Electoral College votes.

My local Congressman and Senators ARE elected in democratic votes, though, but they belong to a different Branch of Government than the Orange Clown under discussion.

Again, this is because the Founding Fathers, looking out across their sparsely populated new States, did not want the highly populous State of Virginia to dominate their politics and crown a powerful “King” so soon after fighting a war to free themselves from one.

Local elections: democratic
National election: more of a republic
The “democratic process” of governance, certainly more republican in nature.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

It is normal to give up diplomatic immunity for serious crimes but the US sometimes does not do so.

Diplomatic immunity is considered sacrosanct by the U.S. because they operate in many, many hostile nations where any acquiescence would lead to wholesale resignations of foreign service officers.

If found guilty, he could be expelled rather than jailed.

Guilty? In absentia, at best, and even that is fantasy. And, he would have “expelled” himself long before any plod from the UK attempted the impossible.

All very hypothetical because his tiny member probably could not go thru with it.

I heard he liked them young!

Note operation yew tree was mounted against innocent people by a lunatic police officer relying on the word of a fantasist.

Snared a few, but you must be a Cliff Richards fan. ;-)

 

[KS55]

Diplomatic immunity is considered sacrosanct by the U.S. because they operate in many, many hostile nations where any acquiescence would lead to wholesale resignations of foreign service officers.



Guilty? In absentia, at best, and even that is fantasy. And, he would have “expelled” himself long before any old from the UK attempted the impossible.



I heard he liked them young!



Snared a few, but you must be a Cliff Richards fan. ;-)

A few were ruined unfairly but I don’t remember any being convicted or even tried. One guy got £1m compensation after he was left homeless and jobless.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

A few were ruined unfairly but I don’t remember any being convicted or even tried. One guy got £1m compensation after he was left homeless and jobless.

And rightly so, if incorrectly targeted…although £1M is chump change after your whole life is destroyed.

 

[KS55]

And rightly so, if incorrectly targeted…although £1M is chump change after your whole life is destroyed.

He was targeted because the fantasist knew of his previous sexual offence, caning rent boys.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It is normal to give up diplomatic immunity for serious crimes but the US sometimes does not do so. If found guilty, he could be expelled rather than jailed. All very hypothetical because his tiny member probably could not go thru with it.
Note operation yew tree was mounted against innocent people by a lunatic police officer relying on the word of a fantasist.

Operation Midland.

Operation Yewtree lead to criminal convictions of Harris, Gadd, Clifford etc.

 

[KS55]

Operation Midland.

Operation Yewtree lead to criminal convictions of Harris, Gadd, Clifford etc.

Ta, memory!

 

[TinFoilHat]

Maybe asking for trouble but I'm genuinely interested in @Bigga's opinion of Candace Owen. He has highlighted some of her stuff before but it does feel a little to me like she has become a little more extreme recently

@Bigga cannot answer that as I believe he's been banned from this thread for having the audacity of having a different view.

Surely more views weather we agree or dissent with him helps with healthy debate. As long as the people discussing it see it that way and don't get personal whatever they are debating.

The barn and muffin debate almost led to a war.

 

[mexico1970]

@Bigga cannot answer that as I believe he's been banned from this thread for having the audacity of having a different view.

Surely more views weather we agree or dissent with him helps with healthy debate. As long as the people discussing it see it that way and don't get personal whatever they are debating.

The barn and muffin debate almost led to a war.

When posters believe that just because another poster doesn't believe what they do they must be wumming, is where the problems start and echo chambers begin.