President Trump

[lloydie]

I'm just curious, what do you actually think will happen after Trumps re-election that will have such a devastating effect on the world, comparable to when Hitler rised to power in Germany and the nazis started WWII and killed millions of jews? What exactly happened during his last presidency that makes you think this is the likely outcome?

Well, apart from this ...

What is Project 2025? Wish list for a Trump presidency, explained

A think-tank with ties to Trump has set out a vision for another term in office. The former president denies any links.

www.bbc.co.uk

... there will be increased support for Netanyahu, Orban, Milie, Erdogan and other would-be despots and there will be further opportunistic and ill-judged foreign policy adventures. He'll also be a disaster for the ordinary American on the economy, on medicare, on climate change and heaven forfend there's another global energency that'l he'll attempt to solve with bleach.

 

[flook]

I understand that people that dont like Trump, dont agree with his political views and basically dislike everything about him. But I do think comparing him with Hitler because of the reasons listed above is just extremely disrespectful to the millions of families suffering from the Holocaust and/or WWII.

or perhaps ignoring what happened to 6 million Jews and millions of others is the disrespectful part?

 

[Haaland94]

He has already been president once and as far as I'm aware we saw no mass extincions of millions of immigrants, media, political opponents, women or LGBTQ+ during his 4 years in office. Do you think he and the government did this but managed to hide it from the public or that he just "pretended" to be nice the first 4 years to start the mass extincions in November if elected?

I'm not a Trump supporter, in fact I think its crazy that he can have so much support being the way that he is. But its claims and arguments like these, claiming that Trump is the same as HITLER, that makes the left sound like the insane ones to many undecided voters. Quite an accomplishment when its literally Donald the orange man Trump on the other side.

Honestly, I am not an American, but that's how I feel reading this thread today. This level of hatred is scary.

I guess the economy is perfect now under Biden, we have no wars around the world, nobody died of covid under Biden, crime-rate is 0, and there is no massive illegal migration issue. They prosecuted Trump now after all these years (very interesting timing), but we are yet to see any other political figures from the opposite side prosecuted. I guess they are all saints and haven't done anything wrong. Somehow, everything is Trump's fault despite the fact he hasn't been in the office for 3,5 years now, and Democrats have been totally in control of House and Senate. When I see the party in charge, with the president in charge, pointing fingers at others, you have to wonder. Like in this thread today. Someone tried to kill Trump, but he is the bad guy, somehow. Voter ID is racist somehow, but vaccine ID's were totally fine (yes, I am vaccinated).

I was naive enough to think that after laughing at what Trump did wrong for 4 years, people will be able to laugh at Biden for his shortcomings in a similiar fashion. None of it is happening. It's even more about Trump now. Luckily, there are still people out there able to have a normal conversation about both sides, not just attacking one of them.

 

[FlemishDuck]

its claims and arguments like these, claiming that Trump is the same as HITLER, that makes the left sound like the insane ones

Who's talking about the left?

Why does a post of a person who equates Trump to Hitler make him so absolutly part of "the left". Thats uncalled for. Its also uncalled to suggest that "all the left = claim trump to be Hitler" or "Only the left claim Trump to be Hitler", especially it follows as a reply to merely one person.

Gives that its uncalled for to talk about "the left", it seems you just made a very obvious and uncalled assault towards "the left", gaslighting them as they being the cause Trump exists. Sounds extremely suspect man. Sounds conspiciously "blame the left" intended.

 

[Aphex]

Haha Thought the same. Worst secret service ever. “Let me just poke my head back up”

Biden administration refused more security

 

[FlemishDuck]

I guess the economy is perfect now under Biden, we have no wars around the world, nobody died of covid under Biden, crime-rate is 0, and there is no massive illegal migration issue

Oh look, more narrative oriented hyperbole.

They prosecuted Trump now after all these years, but we are yet to see any other political figures from the opposite side prosecuted.

And claims of hypocrisy and conspiracy against trump, afcourse.

Somehow, everything is Trump's fault

Victimhood achieved

Someone tried to kill Trump, but he is the bad guy, somehow.

One does not exclude the other, being shot at doesnt mean youre a good guy, very often indeed its the other way around.

I was naive enough to think that after laughing at what Trump did wrong for 4 years, people will be able to laugh at Biden for his shortcomings in a similiar fashion.

Ah yes afcourse, non-Trump-Supporter = biden supporter. The logic! the rationale!

Luckily, there are still people out there able to have a normal conversation about both sides, not just attacking one of them.

Moral high ground declared.

You get 6 out of 10 achievement points on the Trumpist propagandistic narrative fostering front.

 

[unicorn]

I don't think the women were the issue. The protocols looked pathetic.

The presumption there was only one shooter is idiotic. Perhaps they swept the place well enough to eliminate other potentialities. But still. Even the most basic training for any service person is to expect the unexpected.

Don't assume anything. Until Trump was in a hospital and you knew everyone around by name and rank, you continue as of the treat is present and imminent.


It looked amateurish to me :(

Clearly the women aren't the issue, but you wouldn't think that from a quick look at US twitter. Sexism is on a different scale in the States.

 

[Elbow beards]

or perhaps ignoring what happened to 6 million Jews and millions of others is the disrespectful part?

Lest we forget.
Let’s not forget the past mistakes so they won't get repeated in future. Unfortunately some people are happy to put their fingers in their ears and pretend it could never happen again.

 

[Aphex]

What we need to do now is to be very ... Tactfull and ... sensitive and ... carefull with our words. Because the age of Trump the victim has arrived. Although i have to say all tactfullness, sensitivity and carefullness in politics has been so heavily crushed under his fat arse that its "just not of this time anymore and really really thanks to him" and it feels effing rich that now we'd be denounced over our "tone", as if the age of "trump the baffoon" should so suddently move into a age where now we have to extremely be careful, mindfull and responsible as how we weigh our words in our remarks on him.

Some real 1984 shit the world is today

'Trump the victim'

Someone tried to kill him at a rally, are you for real? I'm not a fan of either, but it's what it is. I'd be just as vocal if it was Biden. I can't abide partisanship

 

[lefty goldblatt]

 

[Vester]

Who's talking about the left?

Why does a post of a person who equates Trump to Hitler make him so absolutly part of "the left". Thats uncalled for. Its also uncalled to suggest that "all the left = claim trump to be Hitler" or "Only the left claim Trump to be Hitler", especially it follows as a reply to merely one person.

Gives that its uncalled for to talk about "the left", it seems you just made a very obvious and uncalled assault towards "the left", gaslighting them as they being the cause Trump exists. Sounds extremely suspect man. Sounds conspiciously "blame the left" intended.

I never wrote that all the left claim Trump to be Hitler, you just made that up. I was responding to several posters on this forum all making that claim, as I have seen several left-wingers do on most plattforms online. Trump is the leader of the American right-wing so its common sense to assume his critics that make the most deluded claims about him have an opposite political view. I can of course be wrong about this and would like to clarify that anyone comparing the orange man, right or left, to Hitler is completely deluded.

I assume to a lunatic, me not agreeing with outrageous claims like the former US president is basically the same as HITLER is "suspicious".

 

[FlemishDuck]

'Trump the victim'

Someone tried to kill him at a rally, are you for real? I'm not a fan of either, but it's what it is. I'd be just as vocal if it was Biden. I can't abide partisanship

Yeah im for real. And if you want to take CONTEXT into an actually intellectually honest way into account for the reply you took it from then you also recognise that your own reply is not even relevant for that specific discussion it fits in. It fits more into another reply of mine where i explicitly expresed that i have 0 compasion, emphaty or respect for Trump or what happened here and i bloody well know how he will use victimhood for his nefarious aims too. you can also dial back a few posts to me expressing several times that political assasination is eitherhow not acceptable, but that doesnt allow Trump to play victim in everything and victim of the people of his choosing which he wants to vanquish with it as tool.

isnt nuance a *****?

 

[uwerosler28]

Trump would likely stop all military aid to Ukraine and push for them to cede Crimea to Russia.

But how does that make the rest of Europe fucked?

 

[Aphex]

Yeah im for real. And if you want to take CONTEXT into an actually intellectually honest way into account for the reply you took it from then you also recognise that your own reply is not even relevant for that specific discussion it fits in. It fits more into another reply of mine where i explicitly expresed that i have 0 compasion, emphaty or respect for Trump or what happened here and i bloody well know how he will use victimhood for his nefarious aims too. you can also dial back a few posts to me expressing several times that political assasination is eitherhow not acceptable, but that doesnt allow Trump to play victim in everything and victim of the people of his choosing which he wants to vanquish with it as tool.

isnt nuance a *****?

Nuance doesn't come across in the printed word. Unless you have 'joked' and especially when you start stating the victim hood conversation. It's just crass

I'm pretty sure that he was on the way to winning the election before this, so your point is moot

What would your view be if it was Biden?

 

[Elbow beards]

But how does that make the rest of Europe fucked?

If he takes Ukraine he'll be emboldened to push on to the baltics. Will a NATO without America be strong enough to stop him? Who knows.

 

[FlemishDuck]

I never wrote that all the left claim Trump to be Hitler, you just made that up.

I made a direct quote:

its claims and arguments like these, claiming that Trump is the same as HITLER, that makes the left sound like the insane ones

"it is claims and arguments like these" ... what claims?
"claiming that Trump is the same as HITLER" .. who are you refering to as who's saying that?
"that makes the left sound like the insane ones" .. ah yes, "THE LEFT TM", and by extension they are the "nutty ones".

I never wrote that all the left claim Trump to be Hitler, you just made that up. I was responding to several posters on this forum all making that claim, as I have seen several left-wingers do on most plattforms online.

Why is it, that you reply on the claim of an individual, and yet create the association of that with "the left"? Is there any particular reason why you think you can claim that it is more the specific position of "the left", than the individual(s) you attribute it too? Because you are stigmatizing "the left". you are very much making a generalization, assigning a attribute to that generalization, and denouncing it for its "fault", and yet there is no indication whatsoever why this should be attributed specifically to "the left" other than your apparent choice to do so, you reply to the person and that person might just as well be a centrist? RIGHT?

Maybe if you had been more carefull with your words, it wouldnt have made it possible to logically conclude that you are prejudiced against the left

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

He clearly asked for it!

I'm still calling staged!

 

[FlemishDuck]

What would your view be if it was Biden?

Exactly the same, that political assassination is not acceptable. Its purely personal, Trump is a piece of shite that does not deserve a iota or respect or compassion for the very reason he would never show it to another either. Biden is just a practically senile old man and i would not have cried if his long life ended sooner so to rather having a younger democratic candidate (hopefully atleast mediocre enough, if not good actually) to oppose the danger to the entire western world that Putinsucker Trump poses.

 

[hcblue95]

'Trump the victim'

Someone tried to kill him at a rally, are you for real? I'm not a fan of either, but it's what it is. I'd be just as vocal if it was Biden. I can't abide partisanship

Can't abide partisanship? Wait aren't you the biggest right winger on this forum?

 

[Aphex]

Exactly the same, that political assassination is not acceptable. Its purely personal, Trump is a piece of shite that does not deserve a iota or respect or compassion for the very reason he would never show it to another either. Biden is just a practically senile old man and i would not have cried if his long life ended sooner so to rather having a younger democratic candidate (hopefully atleast mediocre enough, if not good actually) to oppose the danger to the entire western world that Putinsucker Trump poses.

The democrats think that voter ID is racist... Because they believe that the black community aren't upwardly mobile and savvy enough to actually afford or have the knowledge to do it.

Excuse me if I think that Trump would trust instead of victimise. You are delusional