President Trump

frothy said:
Has he been found guilty and sentenced?
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Nope. It’s an allegation that hasn’t been tested in court.

However it’s not dissimilar to another sexual assault that was tested in court where Trump was found to have done it, and not dissimilar to a couple of dozen similar allegations from unconnected women.

It comes down to who you choose to believe. The serial liar, friend of Epstein, proven sexual predator who actually boasts about it or a woman who put together a statement but was scared off proceeding by the powerful billionaire businessman.

I believe the woman. Do you?
 
It’s all a bit stupid really… a man who’s been convicted of felonies for fiddling his campaign finances, has been found liable of sexual assault in a civil court, has had his charitable foundation liquidated, and is now on the hook for half a billion in fines for committing systemic fraud… all of these things happened in court.

And we’re discussing whether he happens to also be a child rapist as if it should even be relevant to his election chances… I mean… if that is where some people are drawing the line on fitness for office… it’s fucking exasperating. We are plumbing new depths.
 
daveoswald said:
Politics aside i see the conspiracy theorists are making hay, there is money to be be made out of getting dumb fuckers to believe the moon landings didn't happen, 911 was a set up, the earth is flat and this attempt at Trump's life was a PR exercise, millions around the world believe this illogical shit, we are fucked.
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The JFK assassination is fascinating in that regard. There are a huge number of Americans who have spent their lives looking for "the smoking gun" amongst all the documents. They have found absolutely nothing. However, every single mistake in the investigation is looked upon as a cover up rather than just human error or incompetence. It looks to me that some people just do not trust anyone and end up believing their own fantasy world is real.
 
west didsblue said:
Nope. It’s an allegation that hasn’t been tested in court.

However it’s not dissimilar to another sexual assault that was tested in court where Trump was found to have done it, and not dissimilar to a couple of dozen similar allegations from unconnected women.

It comes down to who you choose to believe. The serial liar, friend of Epstein, proven sexual predator who actually boasts about it or a woman who put together a statement but was scared off proceeding by the powerful billionaire businessman.

I believe the woman. Do you?
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Let the court decide
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
It’s all a bit stupid really… a man who’s been convicted of felonies for fiddling his campaign finances, has been found liable of sexual assault in a civil court, has had his charitable foundation liquidated, and is now on the hook for half a billion in fines for committing systemic fraud… all of these things happened in court.

And we’re discussing whether he happens to also be a child rapist as if it should even be relevant to his election chances… I mean… if that is where some people are drawing the line on fitness for office… it’s fucking exasperating. We are plumbing new depths.
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Trumps not a nice man. However, coming up with rules for who is fit for office is fraught with contradictions. Off the top of my head JFK, Lyndon Johnson, Harold Wilson, John Major, Liz Truss, Boris Johnson, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump have all cheated on their spouses. i.e they have fucked over a person who they have said they will love forever. Were any of them fit for office if their own spouse would not trust them?

Even more controversial and regardless of your view on this. Many people believe that life begins at conception and that abortion is killing a baby. Many Prime Ministers and Presidents support abortion but in the eyes of many that means that they support baby killing. Would you elect someone who picks up a new born baby for a photo op but would also support ending it's life when still in the womb?

The bottom line is that if the law says you can do it then you can do it. So Trump is legally allowed to stand for President despite his morals and behaviour not suiting everyone.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
It’s all a bit stupid really… a man who’s been convicted of felonies for fiddling his campaign finances, has been found liable of sexual assault in a civil court, has had his charitable foundation liquidated, and is now on the hook for half a billion in fines for committing systemic fraud… all of these things happened in court.

And we’re discussing whether he happens to also be a child rapist as if it should even be relevant to his election chances… I mean… if that is where some people are drawing the line on fitness for office… it’s fucking exasperating. We are plumbing new depths.
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It’s more the fact that some people feel the need to spring to his defence when the child rape allegations are raised. With everything that has already been proven in court I find it odd that someone would spring to his defence about anything.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
what point are you trying to make? Because he’s said those words that justifies an assassination attempt?

You might not like his words or opinions but violence on either side isn’t justified because of words.
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The point surely is that Trump showed himself not to be opposed to political violence even against the family of his political opponents. It’s called hypochrisy.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
America is fucked, basically. With the widespread proliferation of weapons, social media fuelled divisions and conspiracy theories, along with utterly polarised world views, can anyone on here honestly see the situation doing anything other than getting progressively worse, and more violent, whoever wins in November- and if so, how?
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Yup. It is extremely worrying. The only
chink of light that I see is: democrats win both legislative bodies and the White House, pass very strong gun legislation. Just a small start.
 
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