It's Quiet 18 - Wanna ring the bell?

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JWCH-99 said:
I am pretty sure that he doesn’t count Philips and cancelo as players that will be replaced if they leave. They weren’t in the squad last year. In his previous press conference he talked about 90% the squad would stay the same as last year + savio, but it depended because 1.5 players may leave I.e Ederson (concrete possibility) + maybe Alvarez but less likely due to fee. I can only see us buying if one of those players or another first team player like kovacic or nunes leaves. I think you are being overly optimistic by suggesting we will replace two players who haven’t been considered part of the squad for over a year now
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They wasn't part of the squad last year, but they're current Manchester city players, one is already in pre-season with Pep and the other will be coming back here after his holiday as it stands.

Pep may not want them here and doesnt have them in his plans but they're £90 million worth of assets, we aren't just going to discard them, if we can't find a solution they'll have to be included in the squad, so until they've been shipped out they both will have a placeholder on a squad position which means we have no room to bring in anybody else.

Suggesting we can just dismiss them because they're not in peps plans is essentially the same thing as rival fans suggesting we have unlimited resources and it doesn't matter if we make a poor signing, it matters, they're our problem to deal with and it will stop us from making other signings if they're not.
 
ninjamonkey said:
They wasn't part of the squad last year, but they're current Manchester city players, one is already in pre-season with Pep and the other will be coming back here after his holiday as it stands.

Pep may not want them here and doesnt have them in his plans but they're £90 million worth of assets, we aren't just going to discard them, if we can't find a solution they'll have to be included in the squad, so until they've been shipped out they both will have a placeholder on a squad position which means we have no room to bring in anybody else.

Suggesting we can just dismiss them because they're not in peps plans is essentially the same thing as rival fans suggesting we have unlimited resources and it doesn't matter if we make a poor signing, it matters, they're our problem to deal with and it will stop us from making other signings if they're not.
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The other players at the Euros joining the tour later this week? Wondering if Cancelo will be told to come or fuck off.
 
ninjamonkey said:
They wasn't part of the squad last year, but they're current Manchester city players, one is already in pre-season with Pep and the other will be coming back here after his holiday as it stands.

Pep may not want them here and doesnt have them in his plans but they're £90 million worth of assets, we aren't just going to discard them, if we can't find a solution they'll have to be included in the squad, so until they've been shipped out they both will have a placeholder on a squad position which means we have no room to bring in anybody else.

Suggesting we can just dismiss them because they're not in peps plans is essentially the same thing as rival fans suggesting we have unlimited resources and it doesn't matter if we make a poor signing, it matters, they're our problem to deal with and it will stop us from making other signings if they're not.
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That’s not what I’m saying. I agree the priority has to be to sell cancelo and Philips as that is obviously what the club wants. Couto looks like it’s pretty much done and there are a few others who loans look likely for. But, the idea that if we get rid of Philips and cancelo that we will go and buy a dm and a fullback to replace them I disagree with. We didn’t have them in the squad last year and we have added savinho so the idea that we will buy more is flawed and you are extrapolating the fact that we have players to sell to meaning we will buy once they are sold.
 
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i got it here for now.

Looks like McAtee wants to stay regardless of time so that last CA spot will be his.
 
ninjamonkey said:
They wasn't part of the squad last year, but they're current Manchester city players, one is already in pre-season with Pep and the other will be coming back here after his holiday as it stands.

Pep may not want them here and doesnt have them in his plans but they're £90 million worth of assets, we aren't just going to discard them, if we can't find a solution they'll have to be included in the squad, so until they've been shipped out they both will have a placeholder on a squad position which means we have no room to bring in anybody else.

Suggesting we can just dismiss them because they're not in peps plans is essentially the same thing as rival fans suggesting we have unlimited resources and it doesn't matter if we make a poor signing, it matters, they're our problem to deal with and it will stop us from making other signings if they're not.
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It's not the same thing at all and it shouldn't preclude making signings. Loan moves can happen incredibly quickly - Cancelo to Bayern a prime example - so it shouldn't be reason not to buy in a position of need. Doing so exacerbates the issue
 
FMwkdsoul said:
yeah, i totally forgot who got far or not in the euros. kept an eye on it but didnt watch much.
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It was less exciting after the group stages but some good games. For us, I think it's 11 players: Doku, KDB, Rodri, Aké, Akanji, the Portuguese 3 and the England 3.
 
blueparrot said:
Maybe if the club really believe in the potential of Bobb,Lewis, Mcatee, Perrone,others then the only way is for us not to fill up the squad with replacements for KDB or Kovacic, and if that's the case the fans need to stop obseessing with players like Wirtz and Musiala.If we drop off a little or win nothing this year so be it.
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Why would we drop off? I expect us to be better by being more consistent in the first half of the season. If KDB is 80% of peak KDB on a consistent basis we'll be rocking. In Haaland, Foden, Doku, Savinho, Bobb, Alvarez, Gvardiol and Rico this squad is loaded in young talent. Then there is the best player in the world in Rodri and a core of veterans in their primes like Dias, Akanji, Ake, Grealish, and Bernardo. Kova and a healthy Stones are still class. 2 top level keepers.
AND the best manager in the world!

All that said if we were to replace Phillips with someone like Bruno G or Ruiz and bring in a mint RB while dumping Cancelo and moving on from Walker we would be even more formidable.

I purposely left Nunes out of the discussion until we're able to see which way things go for him this season.

Echeverry is a massive prospect.

Perrone and MacAtee can defo come good. C Doyle is one to watch as CBs get older.
 
JewelZee said:
Why would we drop off? I expect us to be better by being more consistent in the first half of the season. If KDB is 80% of peak KDB on a consistent basis we'll be rocking. In Haaland, Foden, Doku, Savinho, Bobb, Alvarez, Gvardiol and Rico this squad is loaded in young talent. Then there is the best player in the world in Rodri and a core of veterans in their primes like Dias, Akanji, Ake, Grealish, and Bernardo. Kova and a healthy Stones are still class. 2 top level keepers.
AND the best manager in the world!

All that said if we were to replace Phillips with someone like Bruno G or Ruiz and bring in a mint RB while dumping Cancelo and moving on from Walker we would be even more formidable.

I purposely left Nunes out of the discussion until we're able to see which way things go for him this season.

Echeverry is a massive prospect.

Perrone and MacAtee can defo come good. C Doyle is one to watch as CBs get older.
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I didn't say we would, but if we did for a year I'm okay with it.
 
Ajm1985 said:
It's not the same thing at all and it shouldn't preclude making signings. Loan moves can happen incredibly quickly - Cancelo to Bayern a prime example - so it shouldn't be reason not to buy in a position of need. Doing so exacerbates the issue
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We need a top class DM/CM hybrid anyway?
 
blueparrot said:
I didn't say we would, but if we did for a year I'm okay with it.
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I get it. I'd say I'd accept it as what choice would one have? But I can't say I'd be OK with it as long as we have the squad we have and Pep at the helm.
 
JWCH-99 said:
That’s not what I’m saying. I agree the priority has to be to sell cancelo and Philips as that is obviously what the club wants. Couto looks like it’s pretty much done and there are a few others who loans look likely for. But, the idea that if we get rid of Philips and cancelo that we will go and buy a dm and a fullback to replace them I disagree with. We didn’t have them in the squad last year and we have added savinho so the idea that we will buy more is flawed and you are extrapolating the fact that we have players to sell to meaning we will buy once they are sold.
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I never said we will definitely do it, I said we can. The point being we currently don't have the space to do anything whether we want to or not and those departures would give us the option.
Ajm1985 said:
It's not the same thing at all and it shouldn't preclude making signings. Loan moves can happen incredibly quickly - Cancelo to Bayern a prime example - so it shouldn't be reason not to buy in a position of need. Doing so exacerbates the issue
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We dont want to ship them out on loan again. We want rid permanently and to get something back on the £90 million we paid for them. If we don't even have the option of including them in the squad we can kiss goodbye to selling them this summer.
 
Keeper! said:
100%, to complement and replace Rodri when ne needs resting, that has to be a priority.
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Get one of them and we are all good unless other people want out and we react to that? I wanted Bruno G to be honest but wouldn’t be upset if Wharton came in for the rumoured £54m fee? Kovacic is in his 30’s now so it would give Wharton a year to bed in around much better players than Palace have and working with Pep?
 
richards30 said:
Get one of them and we are all good unless other people want out and we react to that? I wanted Bruno G to be honest but wouldn’t be upset if Wharton came in for the rumoured £54m fee? Kovacic is in his 30’s now so it would give Wharton a year to bed in around much better players than Palace have and working with Pep?
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Wharton is a strange one, 54m could be a bargain this summer, if he stays at Palace and has another good season he will be worth 70-80m maybe more.

But he is a risk taking him this season, was his form last year genuine or a flash in the pan?
 
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