It's Quiet 18 - Wanna ring the bell?

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Keeper! said:
Wharton is a strange one, 54m could be a bargain this summer, if he stays at Palace and has another good season he will be worth 70-80m maybe more.

But he is a risk taking him this season, was his form last year genuine of a flash in the pan?
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I think you can tell how he can receive the ball on the half turn, is composed in tight spaces and can drive forward Pep would turn him into something special? If we don’t want to do £100m for Bruno then Wharton could be an extremely good signing for next season and beyond.
 
ninjamonkey said:
I never said we will definitely do it, I said we can. The point being we currently don't have the space to do anything whether we want to or not and those departures would give us the option.

We dont want to ship them out on loan again. We want rid permanently and to get something back on the £90 million we paid for them. If we don't even have the option of including them in the squad we can kiss goodbye to selling them this summer.
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Just to reiterate, squads aren't official until after the transfer window and lots can happen - having a pretence that we have to sell to buy is just incorrect. It's a desire, not a necessity and loans with obligations to buy exist as options. We aren't in a strong position regarding either Phillips or Cancelo - neither would command a big fee and a hit will have to be taken, either through selling at a lower rate or loaning out again.

Regardless, keeping players in a squad that either won't be utilised or potentially cause disharmony rather than take a hit is daft. Compound that with not attempting to get in a 6/8 because the players that won't play are taking up squad spots would be even worse. It's avoidable.
 
blueparrot said:
Maybe if the club really believe in the potential of Bobb,Lewis, Mcatee, Perrone,others then the only way is for us not to fill up the squad with replacements for KDB or Kovacic, and if that's the case the fans need to stop obseessing with players like Wirtz and Musiala.If we drop off a little or win nothing this year so be it.
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The owner's long-term ambition was this.
 
richards30 said:
Because they are winners like the owner and chairman?
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They same guy you said is also have realistic expectation and not every single fucking year we are going to be winning alot of things. I mean they will fire Pep a long time ago if they didn't patient enough to let Pep doing his own things in his first season and waited long enough until we get our chances to win the most coveted title which is Champions League itself.

All things happened is always cyclic in nature and football is no different, there will be a time that the club have decline period for various reasons and we as fan need to be prepared when that time comes (Which i hopefully it didn't happen anytime soon).
 
Ajm1985 said:
Just to reiterate, squads aren't official until after the transfer window and lots can happen - having a pretence that we have to sell to buy is just incorrect. It's a desire, not a necessity and loans with obligations to buy exist as options. We aren't in a strong position regarding either Phillips or Cancelo - neither would command a big fee and a hit will have to be taken, either through selling at a lower rate or loaning out again.

Regardless, keeping players in a squad that either won't be utilised or potentially cause disharmony rather than take a hit is daft. Compound that with not attempting to get in a 6/8 because the players that won't play are taking up squad spots would be even worse. It's avoidable.
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Yes we could buy without any sales but that would leave us in a terrible position when it comes to offloading players and is just awful business practice, we're the best run club on the planet, we're not going to be doing that, thats a glazer move. As you say, We're going to take a hit on those players as is, We're not going to put ourselves in an even worse bargaining position.

I only said we have to act as though we're keeping them, until they're gone, not that we are going to end the window with them in the squad. There's what, 5 weeks? of the window remaining, there's plenty of time yet, just look around, there's been practically no business done as of yet in the league aside from villa who are side stepping PSR problems, dippers haven't signed anybody, arsenals only signing is the obligation to turn Raya's loan into a permanent signing, spurs haven't signed anybody.

This is purely guesswork here and I may be proved wrong but I imagine they'll be no movement in or out whilst we are on tour. only after the tour ends and most of the squad are together will the futures of the peripheral players be sorted and then we will be in a position to do business.
 
richards30 said:
Get one of them and we are all good unless other people want out and we react to that? I wanted Bruno G to be honest but wouldn’t be upset if Wharton came in for the rumoured £54m fee? Kovacic is in his 30’s now so it would give Wharton a year to bed in around much better players than Palace have and working with Pep?
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where was this?
 
ninjamonkey said:
Yes we could buy without any sales but that would leave us in a terrible position when it comes to offloading players and is just awful business practice, we're the best run club on the planet, we're not going to be doing that, thats a glazer move. As you say, We're going to take a hit on those players as is, We're not going to put ourselves in an even worse bargaining position.

I only said we have to act as though we're keeping them, until they're gone, not that we are going to end the window with them in the squad. There's what, 5 weeks? of the window remaining, there's plenty of time yet, just look around, there's been practically no business done as of yet in the league aside from villa who are side stepping PSR problems, dippers haven't signed anybody, arsenals only signing is the obligation to turn Raya's loan into a permanent signing, spurs haven't signed anybody.

This is purely guesswork here and I may be proved wrong but I imagine they'll be no movement in or out whilst we are on tour. only after the tour ends and most of the squad are together will the futures of the peripheral players be sorted and then we will be in a position to do business.
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It's not awful business practice - that would be putting yourself in a situation of neglecting a position of need, ostensibly for the sake of 2 players, who won't be part of the manager's plans, and to make minimal savings.

What other clubs are doing isn't relevant but even then you have missed Archie Gray (£40m) and Arsenal pretty much all but confirmed the signing of Califiori.
 
Keeper! said:
Wharton is a strange one, 54m could be a bargain this summer, if he stays at Palace and has another good season he will be worth 70-80m maybe more.

But he is a risk taking him this season, was his form last year genuine of a flash in the pan?
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Wharton and Musiala summer 2025
We will be there
 
Ajm1985 said:
It's not awful business practice - that would be putting yourself in a situation of neglecting a position of need, ostensibly for the sake of 2 players, who won't be part of the manager's plans, and to make minimal savings.

What other clubs are doing isn't relevant but even then you have missed Archie Gray (£40m) and Arsenal pretty much all but confirmed the signing of Califiori.
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It is. Backing yourself into a corner whereby you've got two players you paid over £90 million for and you can't even register them puts you in a position where you've got zero bargaining power, and you have to take whatever pitiful offer is thrown your way, theres not a chance we recoup anything for them if that happens and its 2 heavily subsidised loans as the only option.

Who said we are neglecting a position? Who is to say we haven't got somebody lined up and we just need to sort a few other things out first before we can finalise it? Most top players arent even off their holidays yet.

Omitting Spurs signing an 18 year old doesn't impact the wider point that there's very little business being done across the league, including ourselves and our rivals as of yet.
 
Keeper! said:
Without doubt that was part of it, hence why the club wanted him to go to Leicester last season and not Sheffield.

But he also had a certain self confidence that was greater than reality that did him no favours.
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I didn't know about that.
 
ninjamonkey said:
It is. Backing yourself into a corner whereby you've got two players you paid over £90 million for and you can't even register them puts you in a position where you've got zero bargaining power, and you have to take whatever pitiful offer is thrown your way, theres not a chance we recoup anything for them if that happens and its 2 heavily subsidised loans as the only option.



Who said we are neglecting a position? Who is to say we haven't got somebody lined up and we just need to sort a few other things out first before we can finalise it? Most top players arent even off their holidays yet.



Omitting Spurs signing an 18 year old doesn't impact the wider point that there's very little business being done across the league, including ourselves and our rivals as of yet.
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Ah, so it's not neglecting a position that has been needed since it was clear Phillips wasn't suitable, due to assumptions you are making that something could be lined up? Based on what?

Like I said, what other clubs are doing is irrelevant, I mentioned it as it's an oversight, alongside Villa's purchase of Onana, Califiori to Arsenal, United spending £90m on young players etc. It doesn't matter to City's plans and actions.

I don't honestly see what bargaining power you are imagining here for players that, as you have stated, we want to sell as they aren't part of Pep's plans? Cancelo was literally told to leave as he wouldn't play (effectively the same as not registering him) and went to Bayern in a day or two. They are both, effectively, unwanted assets and their future, regardless of sale or loan shouldn't be the deciding factor in getting a 6/8 in. They both have agents, who should, and will, be working on deals as they aren't part of City's plans. It's a choice, not a necessity.
 
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