President Trump

FogBlueInSanFran said:
No, it’s not possible that half the country is in his cult. I don’t quite understand what you mean by theatrics but I can tell you Trump is no pantomime villain!

We have a primary system that determines who each party will put forth as their Presidential candidate, and often for many, many other elected seats as well. That where the choice set emanates from — it just gets whittled down.

I’ve offered the view before that the incredible diversity of voices, occupations, and topography, vast size and the fact that nearly all here are descended from immigrants that came within the last 125 years would lend itself to ungovernable cacophony if we operated a 3 or more (and there would be a LOT more) party electoral process. A 2 party system forces centrism and compromise to get anything accomplished at the Federal level among legislators. Many many legislators even at the State Assembly level represent diverse constituencies with diverse views.

I’d lay Americas current problems at the feet of (1) unregulated/edited social media; (2) far too lenient campaign finance laws (and it isn’t in the best interest of most legislators to alter that); (3) gerrymandering; (4) a centrist economic narrative stolen from the GOP by Bill Clinton that has forced conservatives down an increased social-issue-extremist platform to ensure its base turns out; and, last but not least, (5) a bad actor Presidential candidate who has never once demonstrated care or responsibility for the sacredness of his former office and has leaned heavily on populism (and all the four points above) as a way to being selected as the nation’s leader.

Also wealth and opportunity inequality may also play a role (with social media dramatically amplifying it).
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The Dems are still guilty of not fixing campaign finance laws but only one party has consistently been blocking any reforms and that is the GOP…
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
No, it’s not possible that half the country is in his cult. I don’t quite understand what you mean by theatrics but I can tell you Trump is no pantomime villain!

We have a primary system that determines who each party will put forth as their Presidential candidate, and often for many, many other elected seats as well. That where the choice set emanates from — it just gets whittled down.

I’ve offered the view before that the incredible diversity of voices, occupations, and topography, vast size and the fact that nearly all here are descended from immigrants that came within the last 125 years would lend itself to ungovernable cacophony if we operated a 3 or more (and there would be a LOT more) party electoral process. A 2 party system forces centrism and compromise to get anything accomplished at the Federal level among legislators. Many many legislators even at the State Assembly level represent diverse constituencies with diverse views.

I’d lay Americas current problems at the feet of (1) unregulated/edited social media; (2) far too lenient campaign finance laws (and it isn’t in the best interest of most legislators to alter that); (3) gerrymandering; (4) a centrist economic narrative stolen from the GOP by Bill Clinton that has forced conservatives down an increased social-issue-extremist platform to ensure its base turns out; and, last but not least, (5) a bad actor Presidential candidate who has never once demonstrated care or responsibility for the sacredness of his former office and has leaned heavily on populism (and all the four points above) as a way to being selected as the nation’s leader.

Also wealth and opportunity inequality may also play a role (with social media dramatically amplifying it).
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Thanks Foggy. I was hoping either yourself or Chicago would answer me, as I’m not being flippant here. I quite simply can’t get my head around the absurdity of what we see over here from the rallies.
And I’m in no way making out that Trump IS a pantomime villain. What I’m saying is that the Dem rallies seem to play the same theatrics, certainly from Walz’s delivery, if not from the underlying message. I just don’t like that entertainment first approach that seems to becoming the norm.

Social media definitely is to blame for the direction coverage has gone.

I regard Trump as a very dangerous idiot. A puppet. Not a pantomime villain.

I get what you are saying from your third paragraph and it makes sense, although I still don’t profess to understand the whole primary process. How the whittling down is done. I understand the fundamental difference between caucuses and primaries, but they basically amount to the same thing. A way of picking a candidate to go forward for election.
I have watched videos on YouTube of Conservative voters saying that if their own personal choice candidate does not win the party nomination, that they would vote for Biden (at the time), or anyone else to keep Trump out.
These were Trump voters from 2016, so there are obviously conservatives out there that aren’t in the cult.

You make excellent points in your ‘Americas problem’ paragraph. Points 1& 2 in particular.
Point 3, I was not aware of although gerrymandering is something that we are familiar with and it strikes a painful historical chord in too recent Northern Irish politics.
Point 4 strikes me as endorsing slightly what I was saying about the choice of two being restrictive when they become two cheeks of the same arse. It encourages the lunacy of extremism to differentiate. no? Perhaps I’m wrong.
Perhaps you are right, you ought to know better than I would anyway, what works for America.
Point 5. No argument here. He is a bad actor alright, but one that I fear would have far reaching worldwide consequences, should he be successful this time around. Those pulling the strings would set about seeing to that, I suspect.
 
BedsBlue68 said:
Christ his voice is sooo dull. I cant sit through that but does he actually talk about his own policies rather just lying
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Tbf he has no real policies. And Fox News are imploring him to stop the talk about crowd sizes and talk policy. Good luck with that.
 
BayernMan said:
The Dems are still guilty of not fixing campaign finance laws but only one party has consistently been blocking any reforms and that is the GOP…
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US politics is very much pay to play. It impacts the dems as well as the gop.

But that said the gop is almost entirely, blatantly, corrupt. They have no shame in batting for the ultra rich while lying to to the low information voters and hoping they don't notice.

The dems on the otherhand are stuck between principles and the need to raise money to fight the gop.

So wile it's a both sides problem. Both sides are not the same.
 
Koniec said:
Tbf he has no real policies. And Fox News are imploring him to stop the talk about crowd sizes and talk policy. Good luck with that.
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Still waiting for his health care policy he said would be "relased in 2 week's".... in 2019.

Face it, the ONLY policy he has is to be a hateful **** towards anyone not on board the Trump Train. That's it. He's an empty well.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Still waiting for his health care policy he said would be "relased in 2 week's".... in 2019.

Face it, the ONLY policy he has is to be a hateful **** towards anyone not on board the Trump Train. That's it. He's an empty well.
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He publicly lied about introducing his non-existent health care plan 15 times between November 2016 and August 2020.



I recall his press secretary KayLIE McEnany waving a thick folder around at a White House press conference claiming it was Trump's phantom health care plan. The journos closest to her spotted that it contained only blank sheets of paper.
 
BayernMan said:


What an idiot.
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"The Presidential Medal of Freedom. That's the highest award you can get as a civilian. It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version," said Trump as he spoke from the podium in front of multiple American and Israeli flags.

He added, "It's actually much better because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets or they are dead. She gets it and she's a healthy, beautiful woman. And they're rated equal, but she got the Presidential Medal of Freedom."

It's beyond mad. You'd cross the road to avoid someone rambling like this in the street.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
And some people are saying, “Sir, how can more than 100% of immigrants be getting employed? It doesn’t make sense.” But let me explain it, because it’s very simple, really. When you look at the statistics, the media—they don’t tell you this, but I know the numbers—they’re so skewed, folks. So what’s happening is this: you’ve got people who are coming in, and not only are they getting jobs, but they’re getting multiple jobs. You wouldn’t believe it. They’re working one job, two jobs, maybe even three jobs. And when you add it all up, it’s more than 100% because they’re taking jobs at an incredible rate. You’d think it’s impossible, but it’s happening, folks.

It’s incredible, it really is, but let me tell you something else, something that’s happening out there, and nobody’s talking about it—nobody except me, of course, because I know. You see, they’ve got these battery-powered boats now. Have you heard about this? Battery-powered! Can you believe it? They say it’s all about the environment, clean energy, all that. But let me tell you, they’re too heavy, folks. The boats are way too heavy. They’re just sinking like a stone. And guess what? The sharks, they’re out there, they’re waiting. They’re smart, very smart. The sharks are laughing at us, folks, and we can’t let that happen. We’re going to do something about it, believe me. We’re going to make sure our boats are the best, the safest, and the sharks are going to be sorry they ever messed with us.
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Just out of interest, how much does the gig as his speechwriter pay ?

Actually strike that, what you've written is too coherent for you to be in post.
 
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