VAR Discussion Thread

What was this?

I think it waa probably a since deleted Tweet by the ESPN guy saying that they intend punishing the ‘referees allegiances’

It turns out they misinterpreted it and they are just publishing the actual protocol behind how the adjudicate on a ‘conflict of interest’
 
He was presumably running back to where the offence took place?
If that is his excuse its pathetic. Fans inside the ground want to know as soon as possible. I saw him running back and I reckon someone had a word in his ear.
He was running back ready for a kick off.
 
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If that is his excuse its pathetic. Fans inside the ground want to know as son as possible. I saw him running back and I reckon someone had a word in his ear.
He was running back ready for a kick off.
If that goal had been "scored" in a non-televised league match, we all know what would have happened it would have stood.
 
This part most interested me about the changes to VAR this year....

"The video assistant referee system will have a higher bar for intervening than before.

The "referee’s call" means that the VAR should only intervene if they can "see without any doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake".

Otherwise the initial decision will stand. That means fewer stoppages for marginal decisions to be repeatedly rewatched.

"Let’s have the confidence to not be too forensic on our analysis," is what refereeing boss Howard Webb has said."



That's going to lead to so much controversy surely. It doesn't make VAR less intrusive, it will just kick the can down the road. Basically letting the VAR refs decide what is a clear mistake. And couple with this mechanic of sometimes refs leaving decisions to VAR and vice versa, I think we're going see less actual decision making on crucial things.

They think they're improving things but it always come back to the basic thing of the ref needs to referee and be trusted. All they're doing is watering down the decision making process, diluting it to the point where we have amateurs making decisons, or not.
 
If someone told me, 6 years ago, that we would implement a system that will take closer to a decade to get right, would turn decision making upside down for that duration, would STILL allow massive injustices, and would spoil the fan experience I would have said fuckoff.

What a total clusterfuck this has all been. We're now reduced to getting decisions explained on a social media app, an auto-offside implementation HALF WAY through the season, yet more definitions of what a foul is and how it should be handled. AND, we all know it still wont work....
...AND, we all know that despite all of these new implementations, obviously only designed and implemented with the sole aim of 'getting the correct decision', that some teams will still be awarded very dubious decisions that are outside of the laws of the game on a much more regular basis than all other teams.

It's so weird that 'correct' can still shows bias, isn't it? :)
 
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This part most interested me about the changes to VAR this year....

"The video assistant referee system will have a higher bar for intervening than before.

The "referee’s call" means that the VAR should only intervene if they can "see without any doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake".

Otherwise the initial decision will stand. That means fewer stoppages for marginal decisions to be repeatedly rewatched.

"Let’s have the confidence to not be too forensic on our analysis," is what refereeing boss Howard Webb has said."



That's going to lead to so much controversy surely. It doesn't make VAR less intrusive, it will just kick the can down the road. Basically letting the VAR refs decide what is a clear mistake. And couple with this mechanic of sometimes refs leaving decisions to VAR and vice versa, I think we're going see less actual decision making on crucial things.

They think they're improving things but it always come back to the basic thing of the ref needs to referee and be trusted. All they're doing is watering down the decision making process, diluting it to the point where we have amateurs making decisons, or not.
We (City) will just get "not enough in that scything down of Haaland in the area" whilst play continues and we try not to lose our shit on the pitch in the aftermath, whilst good old VAR choose not to tell the ref to take another look because one of the 8 camera angles is a bit inconclusive due to a defender getting in the way a little bit.

Teams that need a win and are favoured will get, at any point up to and including the 17th minute of injury time deemed playable, instant on-field decisions (obviously backed up by VAR or simply bluffed away with some syntax-soup pulled from the law book)

It's now up to the on-field refs, who we know are biased and who give shitty 'drama' decisions, with little involvement from the 'safety net' of VAR, so it's morphed into "VAR when we feel like it", which doesn't bode well.
 
...AND, we all know that despite all of these new implementations, obviously only designed and implemented with the sole aim of 'getting the correct decision', that some teams will still be awarded very dubious decisions that are outside of the laws of the game.

It's so weird that 'correct' can still shows bias, isn't it? :)
That is so true. Now matter what tech certain teams still get that advantage
 
We seem to be crawling gradually to more openess with VAR. Shame Webb hasn't the bottle to go for full openess with miked up refs and VAR assistants words being broadcast live. Wonder why he's against this, wonder what hes trying to hide. ?? Lol
 
We seem to be crawling gradually to more openess with VAR. Shame Webb hasn't the bottle to go for full openess with miked up refs and VAR assistants words being broadcast live. Wonder why he's against this, wonder what hes trying to hide. ?? Lol

He isn’t against it. The Premier League have been lobbying FIFA to lift their ban on it.
 
Fair point, I realised what I was saying far too late.
No need to back track. Early in this season City are not on tele, later in the season the rags aren't. Your point is, i believe, when the rags are not on tele, someone like Forest will suffer.
 
That is so true. Now matter what tech certain teams still get that advantage
Exactly, and it pretty much conclusively proves that VAR isn't there as a tool for 'correct decisions', but we know that already.

There's no similar bias shown in the goal-line technology stats regarding goals given (or not) with regards to for and against certain teams, and yet there is in those given by on-field refs and VAR. :)

Weird.

This 'new implementation' is just bollocks, same goes for all the 'higher bar for fouls/penalties' too, it's emperor's new clothes whilst still being the same-old biased refs giving the same-old transparently bullshit and agenda/drama driven decisions with VAR now getting involved when they want to rather than when they should.

Watch Rodri be the first Player booked (probably 2nd yellow after slightly knocking a ball away at a free-kick/throw-in - which seems to have now become a subjective call for disciplinary action??) for asking for a VAR review or something mad like that. After all that's what VAR was brough in to crack down on, that shit needs stamping out :)
 
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LiVARpool already received a gift, pen shouldn't have been overturned as it was different phase. No chance that gets denied for the scousers
 

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