Russian invasion of Ukraine

[BlueAnorak]

 

[BlueAnorak]

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[BlueAnorak]

 

[CTID1977]

Today was the largest Russian combined missile and drone attack on Ukraine. Russia launched 127 missiles and 109 drones. Of which 102 missiles and 99 drones were shot down:

- 1 Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" aeroballistic missile;
- 1 "Iskander-M"/KN-23 ballistic missile;
- 1 Kh-22 cruise missile;
- 99 cruise missiles Kh-101, "Kalibr", guided air missiles Kh-59/69;
- 99 attack UAVs "Shahed-131/136".

In addition, several UAVs were lost in location on the territory of Ukraine, two more crossed the state border with the Republic of Belarus.

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[cleavers]

If they managed to destroy that damn, it would likely be very serious for Kyiv, by the river side, though a lot of the City is on higher ground to the west, it's much lower ground on the east side of the river.

 

[Scottyboi]

Incredible work by Ukrainian air defence the past 24 hours. That attack will has cost russia a fortune.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The west needs to give Ukraine much more AA/AM capability. Much more.

 

[SiMCFC]

We have to take the gamble and let Ukraine use weapons to hit Russia back, can't keep letting them fight with hands tied behind their backs.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

We have to take the gamble and let Ukraine use weapons to hit Russia back, can't keep letting them fight with hands tied behind their backs.

I’ve previously shied away from this viewpoint, but I’m arriving at the conclusion that now is the time

 

[BlueAnorak]

Stuff 26/08:

Russian stuff blowing up: Russia targets Kyiv's hydroelectric dam in massive missile/drone assault

Ukraine’s campaign against Russian oil refineries continues. The fire at the Proletarsk oil depot continues to burn. Russia launched a massive drone and missile assault against Ukraine, striking the hydroelectric dam in Kyiv. One of the missiles made a...

www.dailykos.com

 

[MCFC_ Phil]

I’ve previously shied away from this viewpoint, but I’m arriving at the conclusion that now is the time

Me too. The tides turning we've got to give them what they need now, put real pressure on Putin.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Me too. The tides turning we've got to give them what they need now, put real pressure on Putin.

Yes. Not without risk, but he’s on the ropes and needs finishing off.

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

This may sound like an unreasonable question but after 2.5 years of a war in which Ukraine has been desperate for NATO weapons,why haven’t they been manufacturing their own weapons and building up their own supplies? Am I missing something? They could have built a load of long-range missiles capable of hitting anything they want in that time.
Or is it not that simple?

 

[JASR]

This may sound like an unreasonable question but after 2.5 years of a war in which Ukraine has been desperate for NATO weapons,why haven’t they been manufacturing their own weapons and building up their own supplies? Am I missing something? They could have built a load of long-range missiles capable of hitting anything they want in that time.
Or is it not that simple?

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[JOGAMIGMOG]

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Yeah thought so! :-(

 

[JASR]

Yeah thought so! :-(

They have some armament industry, they have produced their neptune missile for example.
But complex arms, take specialist manpower, time, planning , industry (nb attackable) existing or being built, testing etc… you don’t get a complex system rapidly… though Ukraine has been quite ingenious and when under pressure humans can do amazing things in short spaces of time.

 

[BlueAnorak]

This may sound like an unreasonable question but after 2.5 years of a war in which Ukraine has been desperate for NATO weapons,why haven’t they been manufacturing their own weapons and building up their own supplies? Am I missing something? They could have built a load of long-range missiles capable of hitting anything they want in that time.
Or is it not that simple?

MONEY.
Weapons and Money and Ukraine will win.

 

[mrcunny]

MONEY.
Weapons and Money and Ukraine will win.

Harsher sanctions would of been better.Ghost ships,American tech and Russia still being able to sell diamonds..

 

[Kompany Car]

This may sound like an unreasonable question but after 2.5 years of a war in which Ukraine has been desperate for NATO weapons,why haven’t they been manufacturing their own weapons and building up their own supplies? Am I missing something? They could have built a load of long-range missiles capable of hitting anything they want in that time.
Or is it not that simple?

For reference the Storm Shadow took 7 yrs from concept to first deployment and that was for 1 variant for 1 platform.

The tomahawk cruise missile took around 14 yrs.

So in terms of weapon development 2.5yrs, unless you already have well funded arms industry and existing systems to base the technology on, is no time at all.

 

[cleavers]

This may sound like an unreasonable question but after 2.5 years of a war in which Ukraine has been desperate for NATO weapons,why haven’t they been manufacturing their own weapons and building up their own supplies? Am I missing something? They could have built a load of long-range missiles capable of hitting anything they want in that time.
Or is it not that simple?

They have developed their own weapons, they have drones that can now fly 2000 miles into russia to hit oil facilities or airfields succesfully, they've developed a jet drone that can probably go futher.

Their biggest issue is air defence, that's not so easy to develop, especially under war conditions, so for that they've relied on western issued kit, and there isn't enough of it to defend everything. I'm sure they have people working on that too, but adapting small aircraft to be UAV's is probably quite easy in comparison.

The real problem is they have the western weapons but aren't allowed to use many of them inside russia, it's time that restriction was removed after todays attacks.