The Labour Government

metalblue said:
TBF average salaries in manchester are £36.6k, two earners that’s £73.2k on average. So £80k is not far off “normal”. Assuming he meant household income rather than individuals, in fact an individual earning £80k would take home less than 2 people earning the average wage of £36.6k (by £250 a month).
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No one said anything about couples tbf and average wage numbers need a large pinch of salt. They are artificially high due to big earners. A quick glance at job sites proves this point I feel.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Deary me. I didn't say it was "normal", i gave you the stats to show it's not uncommon. As I said, 12% of the population earn more than £80k per year as of 2022, and it's therefore higher than that today. £80k is not so much these days. I know plumbers who probably make near that amount. The last plumber who came to my house and did a totally shit job btw - drove an Aston Martin!

And a large number of people own a house worth £500k+.

These financial figures are not "opinions" they are facts.
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10 million people you said, you're a trier i will give you that.
 
Chippy_boy said:
It pisses me off enough that the UK, which accounts for 2% of global CO2 emmissions, should be hell bent on ludicrous net zero targets which will make absolutely FUCK ALL difference to climate change. And then I find that we are giving several billion of our own money to other countries, to help them with their own cimate change initiatives???!?!

Tough choices? Yeah right.
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you just said in the previous sentence that it will make 2% difference, so which is it?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Deary me. I didn't say it was "normal", i gave you the stats to show it's not uncommon. As I said, 12% of the population earn more than £80k per year as of 2022, and it's therefore higher than that today. £80k is not so much these days. I know plumbers who probably make near that amount. The last plumber who came to my house and did a totally shit job btw - drove an Aston Martin!

And a large number of people own a house worth £500k+.

These financial figures are not "opinions" they are facts.
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The going rate for skilled workers is more lucrative now than anytime I can remember. My mates lad is a joiner and earns £25 an hour from the company he works for, a grand a week, my last job in 2012 before I went self employed earned me £40k per year plus car for running a £15m a year business (installing Epos and Data systems in Betting Shops and Building Societies). I'd worked very hard to get to that position often doing 50 plus hours per week. A lad I know is a bricklayer, he charges £300 for a 7 hour day and his "hod carrier" is on £170 a day so you're correct there's many more workers earning near the £80k mark than just a few years ago.

I've been retired for two years now and the way the cost of living is going I may have to get a part time job as only a small part of my pension increased annually and at only 3%. It's an old scheme managed by Aviva.

I'm also a few months of the State pension so I've burned through a few quid in the last two years, this was budgeted for when I retired but straight away because Mrs H is already receiving her state pension we've lost the WFA, we can cope but how much worse is the economy going to get and I wonder how two tier Keir will raise the funds without taxing the working class to the hilt.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
No teachers strikes, no train strikes, sorted out the farage riots, building relationships with Europe.
Good start i say.
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.... but all their spending plans were "fully costed" as we were continuously told time after time in the elecrion build up.... "its all there in the manifesto".

I do not recollect there being any mention of cutting the pensioners winter fuel payments in the fully costed manifesto - must have passed me and the rest of the country by along with all the further tax increases we can look forward to, things like fuel tax, vehicle licence duty, insurance tax a;; will have a massive impact on the less wealthy in society whilst MP's will continue with their massive over indulgent expense accounts for their second homes and heating allowances.

Still, like the people of Wales the rest of the UK will now benefit from the party that "puts the country first".
 
BigJoe#1 said:
.... but all their spending plans were "fully costed" as we were continuously told time after time in the elecrion build up.... "its all there in the manifesto".

I do not recollect there being any mention of cutting the pensioners winter fuel payments in the fully costed manifesto - must have passed me and the rest of the country by along with all the further tax increases we can look forward to, things like fuel tax, vehicle licence duty, insurance tax a;; will have a massive impact on the less wealthy in society whilst MP's will continue with their massive over indulgent expense accounts for their second homes and heating allowances.

Still, like the people of Wales the rest of the UK will now benefit from the party that "puts the country first".
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they wasn't aware of the 22 billion black hole the Tories have left the country in. sacrifices need to be made.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
they wasn't aware of the 22 billion black hole the Tories have left the country in. sacrifices need to be made.
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So where has the money come from to pay the Train Drivers and the Doctors... in their fully costed manifesto? And to claim they didn't know about the £22bn black ho;e... very poor research, yet they were prepared to say with absolute confidence that their manifesto was fully costed.... the public fell for it... hook... line and sinker!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
So where has the money come from to pay the Train Drivers and the Doctors... in their fully costed manifesto? And to claim they didn't know about the £22bn black ho;e... very poor research, yet they were prepared to say with absolute confidence that their manifesto was fully costed.... the public fell for it... hook... line and sinker!
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It will have been added to the debt and be recouped via other means.
Tories may have let hundreds of thousands of doctors leave and destroyed the NHS for good. Labour won't.
 
blueinsa said:
lol
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Hardly a surprise the Tories have wrecked the country, economy and services after the shambles of the last 14 years.
Anyone with half a brain knew that Labour would be walking into a complete mess and have to make some very tough decisions to get this country back on foot. Just need time and patience - which we know the right wing and Musks army of bots won't allow.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It will have been added to the debt and be recouped via other means.
Tories may have let hundreds of thousands of doctors leave and destroyed the NHS for good. Labour won't.
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Can you be a bit more specific about "recouped via other means".... you mean like more cuts on things like winter fuel allowances etc...? They are going to be Tory lite and allow the rich to get richer whilst cutting publice service and increasing the taxes that will affect the less well off much more severely... just take a look at the Welsh Government, cutting everything left right and centre dur to lack of money whilst at the same time increasing the members of Welsh Parliament by just under 50%... all to secure their own futures.

Believe me the UK will suffer badly at th hands of this Government.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
.... but all their spending plans were "fully costed" as we were continuously told time after time in the elecrion build up.... "its all there in the manifesto".

I do not recollect there being any mention of cutting the pensioners winter fuel payments in the fully costed manifesto - must have passed me and the rest of the country by along with all the further tax increases we can look forward to, things like fuel tax, vehicle licence duty, insurance tax a;; will have a massive impact on the less wealthy in society whilst MP's will continue with their massive over indulgent expense accounts for their second homes and heating allowances.

Still, like the people of Wales the rest of the UK will now benefit from the party that "puts the country first".
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The tories were rightly voted out but they did warn us about Labour and taxes....
 
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