PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

antste said:
Long time lurker,very occasional poster. I read this thread once or twice a week for updates ( OK hourly but don't tell my wife....) and there is a question I haven't seen an answer to. Might of missed it.

Someone has put aside a number of weeks for this 'case' . Does that mean someone has read everything and decided there is a case to answer or is there a possibility that after a couple of days it is decided there is no case to answer and they all go home ?
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Ok so there are two separate ongoing cases, basically City v Prem League and Prem League v City. Martin Zeigler said that we should find out the written result of the City v Prem League in about 2 weeks, and thats I think about three weeks ago, but he may well be full of shit and it could take up to three months to find out anything.

The Prem league v City apparently has a 10 week period set aside to hear the 115 or 130 malarky starting sometime in September, however this may run over depending on the evidence presented etc.

If that does go ahead we've been informed by blues who are involved in this type of stuff for a living, that after that hearing it may well take 3 or four months more to write up the findings, so sometime in 2025.........then there's an appeal for either side if they wish to go down that road depending on the outcome and I have zero idea whats involved with that if it does go down that road.

I stand to be corrected on what I've said, but thats my impression of whats going on as a layman.
 
Mr Ed (The Stables) said:
The Prem league v City apparently has a 10 week period set aside to hear the 115 or 130 malarky starting sometime in September, however this may run over depending on the evidence presented etc
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This is the bit I'm asking about. Has someone said its on for 10 weeks because the evidence etc has been reviewed and it will take that long to prove / refute ? Or has someone said its a 10 week starting point but could be done theoretically in 2 days if no case to answer ?
 
antste said:
This is the bit I'm asking about. Has someone said its on for 10 weeks because the evidence etc has been reviewed and it will take that long to prove / refute ? Or has someone said its a 10 week starting point but could be done theoretically in 2 days if no case to answer ?
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It's basically an estimate that the KC's have cleared their diaries for.
 
ganganvince said:
It's basically an estimate that the KC's have cleared their diaries for.
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We don't know to what extent the written submissions from both parties have shaped the hearing. So have they been exchanged between just us and the PL? or has Rosen/the IC seen them ? Im sure in criminal cases the prosecution have to state what evidence they posess to trigger a hearing. We don't know if any pre hearing judgements have been made. For example, there were rumours about some charges being time barred and out of scope of the hearing. That may just be wishful thinking by us. There's also been rumours that our written submissions (hopefully our irrefutable evidence) are so extensive they caused the delay in the start. As a lay person I find it hard to believe the IC will only clap eyes on the submissions on day one of the hearing,

Would welcome a legal expert to chip in if I have spouted total garbage.
 
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LeonardoDaVnci said:
We don't know to what extent the written submissions from both parties have shaped the hearing. So have they been exchanged between just us and the PL? or has Rosen/the IC seen them ? Im sure in criminal cases the prosecution have to state what evidence they posess to trigger a hearing. We don't know if any pre hearing judgements have been made. For example, there were rumours about some charges being time barred and out of scope of the hearing. That may just be wishful thinking by us. There's also been rumours that our written submissions (hopefully our irrefutable evidence) are so extensive they caused the delay in the start. As a lay person I find it hard to believe the IC will only clap eyes on the submissions on day one of the hearing,

Would welcome a legal expert to chip if I have spouted total garbage.
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In criminal cases it’s called a pre trial review
 
bluemc said:
Given the respective starts City and the rags have had to the season, I'm expecting the media bile regarding the pending case to ramp up considerably during the international break. Manchester City - the excuse for the failure of others.
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I'm expecting some announcement in relation to the action we have taken against the premier league next week now that we are in an international break and the transfer window has closed. If that largely goes in our favour then I expect the speculative reporting on the 115 charges to ramp up, reaching a crescendo just before the Arse game
 
BeerIsTheBest said:
Fantastic post on Sadcafe today. Wonder whose borrowed his brain cell today? Can you imagine someone who helps major European Clubs find owners hanging out and gossiping with someone of this intellect?

“They killed a journalist and they cooked the books at city. They’ve spent billions on their city sportswashing project, they’d do and are doing whatever they need to do to legitimise their affairs.

As I’ve said already, I’ve a friend whose job is actually helping major European clubs find owners. So he has a lot of contacts within the football world. He has said, straight out, that it’s no secret in football circles , that the people involved in the case against city are being intimidated in different ways, one being them being followed home. So it’s happening.

It’s also very easy to twist a narrative , particularly if you have the kind of funds these criminals have to play with.”
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So it’s no secret in footballing circles that City are intimidating those involved in the case, yet it seems no fucker has bothered reporting this alleged intimidation to the police!

I’ve read some horseshit down the years but that’s right up there with the best of them. I’d like to know where the fuck is the moderating on that site if they’re leaving posts like that up. I’m a member on there, although I can’t be arsed posting these days but the moderating is normally very good. I got a bit of a ticking off once for daring to say that that **** Gaydamak who almost destroyed Pompey was a bent fucker (which he was), yet people are saying far worse on the City charges thread and the moderating appears to be non-existent.
 
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antste said:
Long time lurker,very occasional poster. I read this thread once or twice a week for updates ( OK hourly but don't tell my wife....) and there is a question I haven't seen an answer to. Might of missed it.

Someone has put aside a number of weeks for this 'case' . Does that mean someone has read everything and decided there is a case to answer or is there a possibility that after a couple of days it is decided there is no case to answer and they all go home ?
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I think we should be clear that there Is a case to answer. That is one thing Jordan has always got right. The leaked emails on their own seem to show that things may not have been as they should have been. So there is a case to answer. CAS said so and the PL panel will say so.

By the way, some of those emails are so carelessly written using terms and explanations that should never have been, that they reflect pretty badly on the people who wrote them, even if what is alleged never happened. I hope after being hacked, twice, the senior people at the club are more careful about what they say and how they say it these days.

Anyway, to your point, there is a case to be answered and it will be answered by the club putting the emails into context and showing what really happened, with witness statements from people who actually made it happen rather than the PL's interpretation of what they think may have happened. Much like at CAS.

If you want some comfort, think of the appeal at CAS. The club appealed 4 years of charges for Etihad and 2 years of charges for Etisalat. 6 charges (in PL language) took three days. On that basis, 120 charges should take 20 times as long, or 60 days, or 12 weeks. That is a pretty simplistic analysis, of course, but the length of time being put aside is more a consequence of the PL making this all so complicated than a real indication of the weight of each side's evidence. Imho.

As usual, may all be bollocks.
 
Oldham Exile said:
It does knock my confidence - the way this is so casually mentioned/accepted, yet when people express a concern that the same thing could happen again - those concerns are so casually dismissed.

Surely the only 'evidence' of such matters we have is what has happened before?

Because of this 'convention' we have had years of the 'red-masses' bemoaning that we were allowed to get away on a technicality and that we appointed 2 of the judges. That narrative has been so effective it has become fact in so many peoples eyes.
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Not sure what the problem is. If the same thing happens again, the PL loses its case.

As far as the PL is concerned, we do have some evidence of how their verdicts are reached. We have the verdicts on last year's PSR cases, for example. The confidence you should have is from the legal people on here saying they themselves have confidence in the process, having reviewed all these previous PL verdicts and from their professional knowledge and experience.

I don't know what more can be said to help. The legal guys on here, who know what they are talking about, say they have confidence in the process. That's good enough for me.
 
melrose40yarder said:
The Confused Celtic Utd woman on talkshite was on with someone just after 05.00 saying the reason City have not done much incoming business in the window is because we are preparing for a big punishment.Thats it then we are fucked what organization lets its mouthpieces spout this type of shit.
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Not confused.....

deliberate malicious, groundless lying !!

Needs 'a visit' !!
 
Citizen Green said:
I will never for the life of me understand why some blues go on Redcafe of RAWK to read their views on our FFP case.
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My mate goes on both of them sites all the time, why? He'sa blue and has followed City all his life but he has never been on bluemoon as he says reading our views is preachingto the converted. He says he likes to hear what the opposition fans have to say about us. I couldn't give a fuck what they have to say about us, I already know what they think about us. I find it all very strange.
 
eastmanc said:
My mate goes on both of them sites all the time, why? He'sa blue and has followed City all his life but he has never been on bluemoon as he says reading our views is preachingto the converted. He says he likes to hear what the opposition fans have to say about us. I couldn't give a fuck what they have to say about us, I already know what they think about us. I find it all very strange.
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I fear we have many fans who go to the home games but still watch Sky Sports and believe all it's biased reporting.
 
bluemc said:
Given the respective starts City and the rags have had to the season, I'm expecting the media bile regarding the pending case to ramp up considerably during the international break. Manchester City - the excuse for the failure of others.
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That would make a great slogan on a t-shirt.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
He corrected himself later on after someone told him that was Saudi Arabia. His response....

"My bad, got them confused , so they are the ones with slaves dieing to make their WC stadiums. Not much more of a civilised form of corruption to be fair."
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whats hilarious about this is that they sit there in their supposed moral fortress about the uae thinking that the usa have never committed any form of corruption or moral outrage, cognitive dissonance at its finest.
 
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