Dear Atheists..

johnny crossan said:
Exactly so, if those asking these 'straight' questions have already made their minds up there's no possible answer they like but at least nobody can accuse you lot of trying to sound learned or intelligent. In fact it seems you've been taking lessons from Donald on incoherence too ;-)

Anyway here's a question for you: "Why is there something rather than nothing"? Get your gums around that.
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As I said it's pointless arguing. If I told you I get visited every night by a goblin, would you believe me without evidence?
 
johnny crossan said:
There is undeniably something and I prefer it to be meaningful rather than just a brute fact. The preference of most people I suggest
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Preference is not evidence. I don't believe things because I like the idea, I believe things because on the balance of probabilities I think it is the most likely answer.

Where you say there is "undeniably something", what do you mean by this? If you mean a god, I would most definitely deny it on the balance of probabilities.

Why would you prefer to believe in a vengeful, spiteful, all-knowing and all-powerful deity rather than just believing that matter and energy just exist? I'm not sure I like the idea of a deity that is so far above me in power, yet is so petty that it will subject me to eternal torture for not thinking it exists.

Also, my guess is that Yahweh is probably the same deity that those local to the area you were born in predominantly believe in, but why is your deity the one true deity? What is it about Yahweh that makes you believe in that specific deity rather than one of the multitude of others?
 
Irwell said:
Preference is not evidence. I don't believe things because I like the idea, I believe things because on the balance of probabilities I think it is the most likely answer.

Where you say there is "undeniably something", what do you mean by this? If you mean a god, I would most definitely deny it on the balance of probabilities.

Why would you prefer to believe in a vengeful, spiteful, all-knowing and all-powerful deity rather than just believing that matter and energy just exist? I'm not sure I like the idea of a deity that is so far above me in power, yet is so petty that it will subject me to eternal torture for not thinking it exists.

Also, my guess is that Yahweh is probably the same deity that those local to the area you were born in predominantly believe in, but why is your deity the one true deity? What is it about Yahweh that makes you believe in that specific deity rather than one of the multitude of others?
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'petty', 'vengeful', 'spiteful', 'eternal torture'.... if you actually believe that stuff I can see why you'd steer clear.
 
johnny crossan said:
'petty', 'vengeful', 'spiteful', 'eternal torture'.... if you actually believe that stuff I can see why you'd steer clear.
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Read the book...

Either way, whether I want to believe it or not is irrelevant. If I felt the balance of probabilities leaned that way then I would believe in it. I find Donald Trump distasteful too and would rather he didn't exist, but despite this I feel that on the balance of probabilities he most likely exists having seen videos of the man.
 
johnny crossan said:
yet here you are
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I've been reading this thread with interest and you remind me of a flat earther called Hodge who kept arguing the toss till his claim of earth flatness became repetitive futile and boring. Although I don't believe the earth is flat I cut him some slack and left it to several others to ridicule him and some of it was plain nasty towards him. He eventually got hounded off Bluemoon but I admired him for sticking to his beliefs without wavering, even though some of his claims were ridiculous.

You believe in god and that's perogative and because you cannot prove God exists you're always gonna get questioned especially when making bold claims without any proof. I am ambivalent on whether God exists. I think I do but - "Oooh, and it makes me wonder" - as Robert Plant once sang: )
 
johnny crossan said:
Hope she's smarter than her dad then, otherwise there's trouble ahead. I sometimes despair at the ignorance and prejudice on here. Incredibly sad and dangerous.
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More trouble comes from those believing in the book than ignoring it. How many millions have died in the name of religion? On the basis he hasn't told his daughter to ignore the RE homework, but to do it knowing there are other priorities, I would say he is a balanced individual and a very good Dad.

To assume anyone who isn't religious is therefore stupid, as you seem to is far more sad and dangerous.

You're also happy to ignore elements of the Bible, the parts you don't like. Which is a ridiculous position to take when trying to justify a God. I believe all of the Bible except the bit about God so we come from a similar position.
 
Apart from getting comfort from believing in life after death, a god belief adds NOTING to what we already know. It's pointless.
 
Elbow beards said:
Oh I'm not arguing, I'm just pointing out you believe in a fairy without any evidence to back it up and you somehow think we should agree with you.
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He isn't trying to convince others, he's trying to convince himself that he's right. It must be awful when faced with logic that goes against your lifetime beliefs. Cognitive dissonance, I think it's known as.
 
johnny crossan said:
Hope she's smarter than her dad then, otherwise there's trouble ahead. I sometimes despair at the ignorance and prejudice on here. Incredibly sad and dangerous.
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It’s not prejudice, if you choose to believe in some made up mind controlling nonsense that’s upto you but don’t shove it down impressionable childrens throats, oh and by the way Father Christmas doesn’t exist either.

If God is all powerful, then he cannot be all good. And if he is all good, he cannot be all powerful.​

 
Apologies if already quoted, not read every page of the thread, but here are thousands of gods, and an atheist just believes in one less than those that believe in God
 
Blue Maverick said:
It’s not prejudice, if you choose to believe in some made up mind controlling nonsense that’s upto you but don’t shove it down impressionable childrens throats, oh and by the way Father Christmas doesn’t exist either.

If God is all powerful, then he cannot be all good. And if he is all good, he cannot be all powerful.​

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No pressies at Xmas either, poor kid ;-)
 
johnny crossan said:
Hope she's smarter than her dad then, otherwise there's trouble ahead. I sometimes despair at the ignorance and prejudice on here. Incredibly sad and dangerous.
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Man spreading ignorant and prejudiced views worried about ignorant and prejudiced views
 
Blue Maverick said:
It’s not prejudice, if you choose to believe in some made up mind controlling nonsense that’s upto you but don’t shove it down impressionable childrens throats, oh and by the way Father Christmas doesn’t exist either.

If God is all powerful, then he cannot be all good. And if he is all good, he cannot be all powerful.​

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He Fookin' does. I was Father Christmas with my elves 5 years ago at Mill Gate and Spindles shopping centre.

Kids. Don't listen to this phoney: )
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