PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

slbsn said:
What if I actually do mean I think you are taking me going on Redmen too seriously? Because that’s what I think. I mean it’s, at worst, neutral in its impact. There isn’t a single person seeing this thumbnail whose view will be changed. There maybe some that watch because of it and learn it really all isn’t as simple as they’d been led to believe. With respect, I don’t think I’m going to change my approach and sometimes maybe it will go wrong. I don’t think it’s very serious either way.

PS have you actually watched the video? Be honest
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I’ve watched it this morning and I don’t think there is any reason for you not to do it etc.

Opposition fans will always lock onto your comments that if guilty City deserve a serious punishment. In the same way a lot of City fans lock onto your comments that the serious charges are going to be very hard to prove.

The guy doing it did his best to ask the questions his listeners want to know (seemed very keen on retrospective point deductions, knowing Liverpool could stand to benefit), but I think he was fine and ultimately let you speak (change from Simon Jordan).

The bit I learned was just how much information we will have afterwards will be fantastic and I imagine you’ll be busy afterwards.

I also thought the press will ridiculous when it comes out with such a rush to be first to get an article out, so much will be missed and can probably pick various points accepted by either side to paint the picture they want on the tone of the article they want (so most probably how we got caught cheating or how we got away with cheating).

Will take a few days hard work to get a deep dive into it.

Keep up the good work, enjoy watching you on TS although very jealous of your watch collection!!
 
Bez said:
Red Cartel fans want City to be guilty come what may. No rhyme. No reason. Just thick and full of misguided emotions. Unless the bunglers that are also called the Premier League have new evidence, the Red Cartel fans are going to be very disappointed. I predict a riot in 2025 when the truth is out.
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It's their comfort blanket that explains why their team are shit and not special
 
Silva2021 said:
I’ve watched it this morning and I don’t think there is any reason for you not to do it etc.

Opposition fans will always lock onto your comments that if guilty City deserve a serious punishment. In the same way a lot of City fans lock onto your comments that the serious charges are going to be very hard to prove.

The guy doing it did his best to ask the questions his listeners want to know (seemed very keen on retrospective point deductions, knowing Liverpool could stand to benefit), but I think he was fine and ultimately let you speak (change from Simon Jordan).

The bit I learned was just how much information we will have afterwards will be fantastic and I imagine you’ll be busy afterwards.

I also thought the press will ridiculous when it comes out with such a rush to be first to get an article out, so much will be missed and can probably pick various points accepted by either side to paint the picture they want on the tone of the article they want (so most probably how we got caught cheating or how we got away with cheating).

Will take a few days hard work to get a deep dive into it.

Keep up the good work, enjoy watching you on TS although very jealous of your watch collection!!
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my only issue with doing it and i have no qualms with anyone accepting any work that they want to is that it gives these channels credibility that they dont deserve and havent earned is all, credit must go to stefan for fighting the good fight but these youtube channels are ten a penny and are given so much more credence that they deserve when they are for the most part just fan rants from lunatics.

Take goldbridges channel, his rants are given credibility to the point where he parlayed it into a slot on the radio but realistically who is he and why does he deserve that, he has no more qualifications than anyone else and has just ranted into a big platform and its the same with redmen tv and it could be said by engaging with these idiots it could sully your opinion although i dont think it does i wouldnt want them to drag stefan down to their level and beat him with experience.
 
mancboy said:
my only issue with doing it and i have no qualms with anyone accepting any work that they want to is that it gives these channels credibility that they dont deserve and havent earned is all, credit must go to stefan for fighting the good fight but these youtube channels are ten a penny and are given so much more credence that they deserve when they are for the most part just fan rants from lunatics.

Take goldbridges channel, his rants are given credibility to the point where he parlayed it into a slot on the radio but realistically who is he and why does he deserve that, he has no more qualifications than anyone else and has just ranted into a big platform and its the same with redmen tv and it could be said by engaging with these idiots it could sully your opinion although i dont think it does i wouldnt want them to drag stefan down to their level and beat him with experience.
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You could take the point he’s not gone on Goldbridge, although that would be his choice.

However, the guy who interviewed on Redman was ok (he supports a different team and has different views and hopes for a different outcome), but he listened and asked questions his viewers would be interested in.

I think Goldbridge would be a lot more interrupting etc. You also have to remember Goldbridge doesn’t exist, it’s not the guys name and he plays a character (might as well go on Alan Partridge).
 
halfcenturyup said:
Possibly. What do you base that on? Just a feeling?

In my view, they have no chance of making the most serious allegations (funding of sponsorships and filing incorrect accounts) stick simply because, like UEFA, they won't have access to the evidence necessary to prove it whereas the club will have access to reams of counter-evidence to disprove it.

So what is left? The rest of the "financial" allegations are all old allegations, as far as we know, and will be time limited unless the PL can show fraud or deliberate concealment. Not easy. There are plenty of counter arguments for Mancini and Fordham. But, tbf, we don't know enough about Fordham and Toure to conclude, really. There may be terms in Fordham that affect the club's results. Toure may be the PL's best chance, but again it's difficult to assess without more information and the club so far generally seems to have had good arguments to support anything that has happened. And let's not forget the club made a very strong statement when the allegations were announced and have, apparently, turned down the offer of a settlement. So they must be confident.

Finally, I am not so sure non-cooperation is as easy to prove as some might think and the rest (PL FFP and UEFA licensing) fall away if the serious charges aren't proven, I think.

Disagree with any of that?
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That’s brightened my day up. Nice post.
 
Silva2021 said:
You could take the point he’s not gone on Goldbridge, although that would be his choice.

However, the guy who interviewed on Redman was ok (he supports a different team and has different views and hopes for a different outcome), but he listened and asked questions his viewers would be interested in.

I think Goldbridge would be a lot more interrupting etc. You also have to remember Goldbridge doesn’t exist, it’s not the guys name and he plays a character (might as well go on Alan Partridge).
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Not criticising him for doing it im just saying i lump redmen and goldbridge and all the other channels like that in the same boat and none of them deserve the credibility of someone like stefan going onto to answer to them.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Possibly. What do you base that on? Just a feeling?

In my view, they have no chance of making the most serious allegations (funding of sponsorships and filing incorrect accounts) stick simply because, like UEFA, they won't have access to the evidence necessary to prove it whereas the club will have access to reams of counter-evidence to disprove it.

So what is left? The rest of the "financial" allegations are all old allegations, as far as we know, and will be time limited unless the PL can show fraud or deliberate concealment. Not easy. There are plenty of counter arguments for Mancini and Fordham. But, tbf, we don't know enough about Fordham and Toure to conclude, really. There may be terms in Fordham that affect the club's results. Toure may be the PL's best chance, but again it's difficult to assess without more information and the club so far generally seems to have had good arguments to support anything that has happened. And let's not forget the club made a very strong statement when the allegations were announced and have, apparently, turned down the offer of a settlement. So they must be confident.

Finally, I am not so sure non-cooperation is as easy to prove as some might think and the rest (PL FFP and UEFA licensing) fall away if the serious charges aren't proven, I think.

Disagree with any of that?
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That is pretty much my view in a nutshell.

The one point I don’t understand and maybe one of our legal experts can explain.
To accuse us of effectively cooking the books. They would need access to said books and the detail of the transactions.
I am pretty sure they haven’t.
So how can the PL get away with charging city on that with no evidence.
They could throw the same allegation out to any club in the league.
They should not be allowed to do so without substantial evidence
 
Silva2021 said:
I also thought the press will ridiculous when it comes out with such a rush to be first to get an article out, so much will be missed and can probably pick various points accepted by either side to paint the picture they want on the tone of the article they want (so most probably how we got caught cheating or how we got away with cheating).
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They will have written two articles already. If not on paper, then in their heads: " Cheating City face justice" and "City get away with it". They will just have to press a button.
 
Silva2021 said:
You could take the point he’s not gone on Goldbridge, although that would be his choice.

However, the guy who interviewed on Redman was ok (he supports a different team and has different views and hopes for a different outcome), but he listened and asked questions his viewers would be interested in.

I think Goldbridge would be a lot more interrupting etc. You also have to remember Goldbridge doesn’t exist, it’s not the guys name and he plays a character (might as well go on Alan Partridge).
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I think Stefan’s calm, somewhat cerebral, fact-based approach would just tie ‘Goldbridge’ up in knots. There’s no way he’d let himself be humiliated like that - Goldbridge is smart, making a good living out of spouting shite but I don’t think he’s the sharpest tool in the box.
 
Goatmeal said:
That is pretty much my view in a nutshell.

The one point I don’t understand and maybe one of our legal experts can explain.
To accuse us of effectively cooking the books. They would need access to said books and the detail of the transactions.
I am pretty sure they haven’t.
So how can the PL get away with charging city on that with no evidence.
They could throw the same allegation out to any club in the league.
They should not be allowed to do so without substantial evidence
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No legal expert, but my view is this: the PL has gathered more "evidence" in the form of emails, spreadsheets and the like that have extended the time period of the allegations from the limited UEFA investigation to the full ten years. The PL and the club both know the evidence to prove or disprove the most serious allegations is external. The PL wanted it (and they know it exists because it was provided, for the limited period, at CAS) and the club didn't want to provide it (or will claim they made their best efforts but the externals refused). So the PL could either drop the allegations without seeing the counter-evidence, or just go ahead and refer the allegations knowing that, probably, the club miraculously provides the necessary counter-evidence at the panel. Clearly, dropping everything without being satisfied by counter-evidence would set a terrible precedent. I don't think the PL had a real choice. Explains the non-compliance allegation too, btw.
 
bluemc said:
Manchester City are the excuse for the failure of others.
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In life, if you want to improve your home you must invest.
Invest capital and energy, both in thought (a plan) and physical work.
City received investment, yes, but that investment would have meant nothing without the plan.
What the rags have is not investment, it is subsidy, utd.plc is a cash drain, as their plan is outdated and not really relevant these days. They are regressing and have become like Everton without the fancy new stadium..
THAT is how far they have fallen behind.
I hope that the rags continue to decline and wither away, to be of as little significance as Barrow, Bradford P,A. or Sheffield.
The real reason ffp exists was not to stop clubs spending themselves into oblivion, it was more to protect the status quo of the old 'big 4'
And so the wonderful and remarkable rise of Manchester City, via our plan, has lifted us from being 'ickle siddy' to having arguably 'the best team in all the land and all the world', making clubs such as the rags bitterly envious.
Think of all the insults thrown our way over the years, the empty seats, 'that banner' and so on. The 115 charges is all they have left in their armoury now, which is as effective as a benwell banger in an artillery bombardment.
We may not have always been the 'best team in all the land and all the world', but we have always been the 'best club '.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I can't see that at all.

Almost three months now waiting for the outcome of our far simpler challenge to the new PL rules.
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Yes judges will be deliberating throughout Jan. so more like Feb we will finally find the fuker out (imho). Happy to start any sportsmans bets - what about I start - Valentines Day massacre **FRIDAY FEB. 14th**

Regarding our case on them twats sure I read somewhere good chance the actual outcome won't be released . . .
 
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