PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

bobbyowenquiff said:
The cartel are in severe decline. It’s a new era and City are a huge money spinner for overseas broadcasters and digital media. The UK media is mostly struggling. Most of them will have to change their policy towards City. In fact I think this has already happened.
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When it comes to broadcasters and their advertisers milking and exploiting the masses of unthinking, herd following united "fans" particularly throughout SE Asia then I'm afraid City are still virtually a non-entity and irrelevance in commercial terms despite the trajectories the two clubs have taken in the last decade.

A lot of it is quite simply due to the colour of their shirts... red is considered a lucky colour throughout much of that part of the world and the largely uneducated and superstitious folks there will do anything to associate themselves with the colour red, including supporting who ever happens to be the most famous football team that plays in red which still happens to be united despite 10 years of failure and underachievement.
 
jacko74 said:
When it comes to broadcasters and their advertisers milking and exploiting the masses of unthinking, herd following united "fans" particularly throughout SE Asia then I'm afraid City are still virtually a non-entity and irrelevance in commercial terms despite the trajectories the two clubs have taken in the last decade.

A lot of it is quite simply due to the colour of their shirts... red is considered a lucky colour throughout much of that part of the world and the largely uneducated and superstitious folks there will do anything to associate themselves with the colour red, including supporting who ever happens to be the most famous football team that plays in red which still happens to be united despite 10 years of failure and underachievement.
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City are huge in the USA and growing fast everywhere else though. Haaland alone is a game-changer commercially. United can’t afford another decade like the last one
 
jacko74 said:
When it comes to broadcasters and their advertisers milking and exploiting the masses of unthinking, herd following united "fans" particularly throughout SE Asia then I'm afraid City are still virtually a non-entity and irrelevance in commercial terms despite the trajectories the two clubs have taken in the last decade.

A lot of it is quite simply due to the colour of their shirts... red is considered a lucky colour throughout much of that part of the world and the largely uneducated and superstitious folks there will do anything to associate themselves with the colour red, including supporting who ever happens to be the most famous football team that plays in red which still happens to be united despite 10 years of failure and underachievement.
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It's America where you want to be most watched team in not Asia
 
jacko74 said:
When it comes to broadcasters and their advertisers milking and exploiting the masses of unthinking, herd following united "fans" particularly throughout SE Asia then I'm afraid City are still virtually a non-entity and irrelevance in commercial terms despite the trajectories the two clubs have taken in the last decade.

A lot of it is quite simply due to the colour of their shirts... red is considered a lucky colour throughout much of that part of the world and the largely uneducated and superstitious folks there will do anything to associate themselves with the colour red, including supporting who ever happens to be the most famous football team that plays in red which still happens to be united despite 10 years of failure and underachievement.
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Perhaps also because City haven’t tried to break the market. Let’s be honest it is worth Fxxk all. Look at it like this - India is 17.5 percent of the entire worlds population so initially you think wow,, But their tv costs about 10 quid a year to get premier league football, and almost all the “red tops” worn and other merchandise are fake. It’s a lot of effort for a pie that is worth far less than it seems, concentrate on the richer areas first and go to these areas next
 
edinburgh123 said:
Perhaps also because City haven’t tried to break the market. Let’s be honest it is worth Fxxk all. Look at it like this - India is 17.5 percent of the entire worlds population so initially you think wow,, But their tv costs about 10 quid a year to get premier league football, and almost all the “red tops” worn and other merchandise are fake. It’s a lot of effort for a pie that is worth far less than it seems, concentrate on the richer areas first and go to these areas next
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If the SE Asian Market is commercially worth so little then why are the print media, the broadcasters and their associated advertisers all still so desperate for the rags to remain prominent and relevant and equally desperate to see City fail?

It's surely got to be for commercial reasons and not just because the CEO's of all those corporate interests just all happen to be diehard Home Counties rags.

Genuine question, not necessarily saying I disagree with you.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Those emails may carry more weight but they would still have to prove it was actually reflected in the accounts, imho.

For example, the attachments to some of the emails consistently refer to the AD sponsorships as shareholder funding and, in the emails at least, it was never corrected by Pearce or anyone else. It means nothing, however, people mislabel things all the time. The only thing that matters is where the money came from and if the PL can prove on the balance of probabilities that it came from ADUG. I don't think they can.
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I'd defer to the opinion of our resident legal eagles on this (preferably after they've sobered up following a morning in the small claims court) but if an email said something like "As discussed, I recorded that £50m ADUG cash as commercial revenue, rather than the equity investment it should have been" then I suspect the onus would be very much on us to prove we did nothing wrong.
 
jacko74 said:
If the SE Asian Market is commercially worth so little then why are the print media, the broadcasters and their associated advertisers all still so desperate for the rags to remain prominent and relevant and equally desperate to see City fail?

It's surely got to be for commercial reasons and not just because the CEO's of all those corporate interests just all happen to be diehard Home Counties rags.

Genuine question, not necessarily saying I disagree with you.
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Of course you are both correct. There are lots of giant tech sponsors in Asia. It’s bloody gigantic. But I think City have been very smart in North America. Happy days for our club
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'd defer to the opinion of our resident legal eagles on this (preferably after they've sobered up following a morning in the small claims court) but if an email said something like "As discussed, I recorded that £50m ADUG cash as commercial revenue, rather than the equity investment it should have been" then I suspect the onus would be very much on us to prove we did nothing wrong.
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Haha, love it!
 
cheekybids said:
Is it possible his background as an academic rather than business is why UEFA selected him?
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In the aftermath of Watergate, there was a proposal that a senior Senator should listen to the tapes recorded by Nixon. The name suggested was Senator Stennis, and when the White House spokesman announced this, he started to justify the selection, saying "Senator Stennis was selected because he's...." at which point one wag in the press corps shouted "Deaf!"

You do wonder, having seen Professor Haas's minority opinion, despite having listened to the same evidence that the other two members of the panel listened to, whether that applied to him as well.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'd defer to the opinion of our resident legal eagles on this (preferably after they've sobered up following a morning in the small claims court) but if an email said something like "As discussed, I recorded that £50m ADUG cash as commercial revenue, rather than the equity investment it should have been" then I suspect the onus would be very much on us to prove we did nothing wrong.
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Such an email certainly wouldn't do our case any good! I think, however that you're raising a rather academic point about the validity/reliability etc of email evidence as a whole which I suspect is rather like hearsay evidence with the difference that hearsay evidence doesn't come from the horse's mouth! I suspect that Sheikh Mansour or Khaldoon would have throttled any employee unwise enough to have composed such an email! And that's not hearsay evidence untii someone can produce a body! So I hope you haven't provoked multiple nervous breakdowns on BM!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'd defer to the opinion of our resident legal eagles on this (preferably after they've sobered up following a morning in the small claims court) but if an email said something like "As discussed, I recorded that £50m ADUG cash as commercial revenue, rather than the equity investment it should have been" then I suspect the onus would be very much on us to prove we did nothing wrong.
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Our chief says he has irrefutable evidence
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Where are all the clowns with pens who touted we would be desperate to "do a deal" prior to the hearing.

Although we are not quite at the "steps of the court" stage its certainly squeaky bum time for the protagonists, if they truly know their case isn't that strong. I suspect both parties are now committed to the arbitration process and neither are likely to ask for or give any quarter. Its a fight to the death now.

I cannot see how City don't prevail on the major issues. Mainly because I believe we didn't do what they have accused us of, let alone believe such evidence exists to prove otherwise and that they therefore cannot prove fraud, mistake or concealment for the time barred issues. The case might well fall away like a poorly made layer cake as each rebuttal is satisfactorily evidenced.

That leaves some fumbling about for evidence to prove some none co-operation for which there is no sporting sanction.

I'm feeling bullish today.
 
Stoned Rose said:
Liverpool and Arsenal are in “severe decline”?
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Stand corrected. I was a tad optimistic. What I wanted to suggest was that their political power behind the scenes is not what it once was. No Wenger at Arsenal is better for City. Jim Ratcliffe is trying to improve relations with City. FSG seem less aggressive off the pitch and the new LFC boss likes us. This is a change in the dynamic. Of course the 115 result could settle it one way or another.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
In the aftermath of Watergate, there was a proposal that a senior Senator should listen to the tapes recorded by Nixon. The name suggested was Senator Stennis, and when the White House spokesman announced this, he started to justify the selection, saying "Senator Stennis was selected because he's...." at which point one wag in the press corps shouted "Deaf!"

You do wonder, having seen Professor Haas's minority opinion, despite having listened to the same evidence that the other two members of the panel listened to, whether that applied to him as well.
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I believe you are mistaken in identifying the particular sensory debillitation from which Herr Haas was suffering and it is in fact his sight that was the problem. Either his "one eyed" perception of the case in total or his selective blindness in viewing the evidence before him. In either case, fuck him.
 
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