PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

mancboy said:
Whatever happens it will be nice to be able to watch football again without constantly referring to complex accountancy and legal subtext.

You know the idea of 22 guys on the pitch and the best team wins or sometimes they dont, we have all sadly forgotten what thats like.
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Football is a simple game. 22 players play for ninety odd minutes kicking a ball about and, at the end, City win.
 
Noticed a lot of recalling from memory, guessing and conflating different subjects, which can lead to confusion or panic in some cases. I'd advise everyone try and find the information in question, to make sure you're recalling correctly and also leave links if you can.
ayrshire_blue said:
I was under the impression that the particular emails in question where we are seen to "admit" what we're being accused of were only released into the public domain after the CAS case, hence why Pearce and others are now being accused explicitly of lying?

IE, original emails which were hacked showed alleged intention, this was subsequently explained at CAS, now the more recent emails are alleged to completely contradict the explanation our representatives provided.
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Exeter Blue I am here said:
I think Pearce testified that he had never arranged for funds to be paid back into the club by ADUG or ADEA or anyone else. Sneaky twats that they are, Der Spiegel, who appeared to have held one email back from the original batch that formed the basis of UEFA’s case, then released that email. It pretty much directly contradicted what Pearce had told CAS, which was, erm, awkward. I seem to recall @Prestwich_Blue at the time deeming it not an issue though……although I stand to be corrected…….so unless the PL have got something else, Magic Twat can, in the words of Dean Edward Rooney, come on over and smooch my big ol’ white butt!
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Apologies if someone already beat me to this but I didn't see it.

30th July 2020, article after the CAS verdict (use the translate page function):
www.spiegel.de

Cas-Urteil zu Manchester City: Interne Mails stellen Zeugenaussagen in Frage

Die Uefa hat das Verfahren gegen Manchester City verloren, weil sie nicht ausreichend Beweise vorlegen konnte. Dabei zeigen neue Erkenntnisse, dass die Verteidigung des Vereins auf wackligen Beinen stand.
www.spiegel.de www.spiegel.de

New emails in that article:
www.spiegel.de

Cas-Urteil zu Manchester City: Interne Mails stellen Zeugenaussagen in Frage

Die Uefa hat das Verfahren gegen Manchester City verloren, weil sie nicht ausreichend Beweise vorlegen konnte. Dabei zeigen neue Erkenntnisse, dass die Verteidigung des Vereins auf wackligen Beinen stand.
www.spiegel.de www.spiegel.de

Rehash in April 2022 in English, presumably to take focus off Chelsea and back onto City("save your fume for City please"):
www.spiegel.de

Manchester City's Cozy Ties to Abu Dhabi: Sponsorship Money – Paid for by the State

Since the sanctions imposed on Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich, links between English football clubs and authoritarian states have been in the spotlight. Internal documents show that Manchester City has received funding from a government agency in Abu Dhabi.
www.spiegel.de www.spiegel.de

slbsn's immediate response to the 30th July article:
bitterandblue.sbnation.com

New Leaked Emails Fail To Show Conclusive Proof of Anything Fraudulent — Manchester City Condemn Leaks

Manchester City maintain innocence.
bitterandblue.sbnation.com bitterandblue.sbnation.com

Stefan seems to be saying it doesn't change much, having some sort of involvement is not the same as having the authority/power to conclude contracts or authorise payments directly.

I'd say, if he was over in Abu Dhabi, it could just mean he got in touch with someone directly, who does have that authority. Doesn't matter how he worded it in the email, he could be keeping it short, not watching his words. ie: "I'll get that forwarded to you" is him saying he'll make sure it gets done but it's not actually him authorising it.

I don't really see how they think most of their claims have been established when I actually read them in full. Just some examples from the April 2022 article: They talk about Khaldoon's roles before(not much emphasis on that) joining Manchester City, approving money flows that were controlled by the government. Controlled by the government but approved by him? Any evidence of whatever this badly worded implication is? They also say that he is the de facto Prime Minister of Abu Dhabi(what?) and the "head of the state investment fund". As if they only have one? It's Mubadala and he's the CEO/MD, it's never been a secret and Mubadala aren't implicated in the allegations... They are consistent with this style of arguing too. It's such blatant artistic license, yet the UK press don't bat an eyelid, they regurgitate everything der Spiegel claim so readily.

Lord Blue said:
Quite a few of the email points mention include the phrase "funded via ADUG" which i've always considered harmless as i thought ADUG held our sponsorship dosh and we request it as needed?

I thought ADUG held onto our funds as some sponsorship deals cover multiple clubs. And we request it as needed.

It would be dodgy as hell if we held sponsorship money on behalf of NYC for example so it makes sense.

I'm probably way out but that was my understanding.
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This is sounds more related to the Mancini > Al Jazira accusation. I hope so anyway or we'd be fucked it was related to City's sponsorship allegations.
 
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Pelegrinni said:
We will be guilty regardless in the eyes of Liverpool, United and Arsenal fans.
Most other supporters that I know don't give a flying fib.
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I truly want the fans of those shithouse clubs to think we're guilty, especially the scousers. To have all that bitterness constantly nagging away in your mind, all corrosive and toxic, eating away at your one real joy - supporting your team; to believe you're the real victim and that City have cheated you out of the history books, have drained and tainted the emotional energy you invested in believing you would eventually triumph, is utterly fucking wonderful. Really, really wholesome and nourishing for my blue heart .
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
So if the hearing does start on Monday and it's 10-12 weeks as has been reported then it will finish at the end of November or the middle of December. Either way deliberations won't start in earnest until January so I'd expect a result not too far away from the end of the season. Mid April is my current prediction.
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That’s true. And guess when the derby is? Mid December. Expect an avalanche of leaks, lies, and conjecture in the run up to it. “This could be the last derby at the ground for many years” etc etc.

And then we win the case.
 
hertsblue said:
Top news to no surprise on BBC now, after they quietly whispered about the Rags losses.
They have :

What are the 115 charges against Man City?​

Man City are accused of:
  • 54x Failure to provide accurate financial information 2009-10 to 2017-18.
  • 14x Failure to provide accurate details for player and manager payments from 2009-10 to 2017-18.
  • 5x Failure to comply with Uefa's rules including Financial Fair Play (FFP) 2013-14 to 2017-18.
  • 7x Breaching Premier League's PSR rules 2015-16 to 2017-18.
  • 35x Failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations December 2018 - Feb 2023.

What i dont get is why some of the charges relate to UEFA as nothing to do with the PL and CAs found us not guilty and where is the charge by the PL for the Rags being found guilty of FFP by Uefa recently. Double standards as usual
Pretty sure our lawyers are all over the Rags FFP losses and what deal they have done with the PL to avoid sanctions
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I think the licence payers would be better served by the BBC trying to recover that £200k from Huw Edwards
 
I'll be happily surprised if we are cleared of all 115 charges. I expect a guilty verdict for something and some sort of sanction/financial penalty.
Losing on all counts will be a disaster for the Premier League and ammuniton for our soon be active Independent Football Regulator.
 
Next summer.. we return from the inaugural club World Cup with the trophy to stick on the Sheik’s mantelpiece, to sit alongside our Champions League win and a 5 in a row Premier title. The court case has been settled with 114 being thrown out (we’ll cop a fine for the petty non-cooperation stuff). Pep signs a new contract as he’s handed the £300m war chest we have prudently built up over the last 3 years.

Meanwhile, Van Horseface settles the ship and guides Utd to a creditable 7th. Progress.
 
Nascent Blues said:
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I truly want the fans of those shithouse clubs to think we're guilty, especially the scousers. To have all that bitterness constantly nagging away in your mind, all corrosive and toxic, eating away at your one real joy - supporting your team; to believe you're the real victim and that City have cheated you out of the history books, have drained and tainted the emotional energy you invested in believing you would eventually triumph, is utterly fucking wonderful. Really, really wholesome and nourishing for my blue heart .
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Enjoyed this so much that I read it three times :)
 
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