PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[mexico1970]

Bloody hell this has been rumbling on forever you'd have to be deaf dumb and blind not to have seen one of the many interviews by so called legal experts.

I actually got sent a message from a bloke I used to work with today. It went like this

"Morning mate just an interest question what's man City being investigating for?"

Now he's not a rag, Arsenal fan or a dipper and is in his sixties. I wanted to reply, "Are you fucking stupid it's not been off the news for years!" Instead I told him to Google it. Fuck explaining all that.

To be honest unless you take a deep murky dive into the charges and how they relate to football it does look a little vague, it's not like the charges are issued in plain language the average grunt can understand.

I am an average grunt BTW.

 

[Dewey6]

Anyone with an internet connection and a social media account is a journalist these days.

Ha so true. This one another 6 year old school assignment.

 

[JULES]

Name a couple mate?

Jimmy Villa, as he was known, at Villa, was there for years, nice bloke too
just remembered, he told me the only time e wanted to pack in was when big Ron got the sack.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I imagine “acting in bad faith” would be difficult to prove as surely it would mean unpicking the witness’ intention at the time.

Seems too abstract a thing to prove?

Their whole case is difficult to prove, of course, which is the biggest problem they have.

My only point is that it is a little simplistic to say the literal reading of each of the rules suggests the club hasn't broken them when the PL's case is that the directors of the company initiated a conspiracy with its owners and sponsors to deceive their auditors, file accounts they knew didn't give a true and fair view and then deliberately conceal that fact from the PL.

Do I think they can prove that? Not a chance for the reasons I have set out many times on here. But, if they can, then it is the very definition of acting in bad faith towards the PL, hence the inclusion of that rule in the first tranche of charges.

All imho, of course.

 

[Blue Mist]

Getting lots of memes showing piles of cash with the hilarious title "How City will be found not guilty of all charges"

Just reply to them 'yep that's the beauty of being owned by an oil state. We can buy anyone.'

It winds the fuckers up no end.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Getting lots of memes showing piles of cash with the hilarious title "How City will be found not guilty of all charges"

Are they losing the confidence they gained at the Jamie Carragher school of mindless optimism?

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

So how the feck can the Etihad Airways sponsorship be invalid in some seasons, but by magic, become valid in other seasons. As pointed out thousands of times, to this very day, we still have the Ethihad Campus, the Etihad Stadium and the Etihad kit sponsor etc etc. Also we know Etihad Airways have entered into multiple sponsorship deals in multiple sports across the globe. There has never been any suggestion of impropriety anywhere else in the world. So, only in some years in England, and when sponsoring mens football, not womens, do Ethihad Airways become co-conspirators and engage in illegitimise sponsorships. This idea that we will be clobbered by some charges in some years but escape them in others is bollocks. In this thread we've seen multiple professionals delve into the PL Handbooks, our annual accounts, the CAS rulings, the Der Spiegal articles ad infinitum. Unless the PL have something completely new it's ALL or NOTHING about these 5 issues

1 Etihad Airways sponsorship
2 Etisalat sponsorship
3 Fordham Image rights
4 Mancini consultancy contract
5:Non cooperation

The fact that the PL were able to nefariously conjour up 130 charges from 5 issues has also been dissected, sliced and diced to death.

 

[Keeper!]

Just remind me who Ian Darke is? Seriously.

A miserably, bitter, old **** that should have retired a decade ago.

 

[halfcenturyup]

So how the feck can the Etihad Airways sponsorship be invalid in some seasons, but by magic, become valid in other seasons. As pointed out thousands of times, to this very day, we still have the Ethihad Campus, the Etihad Stadium and the Etihad kit sponsor etc etc. Also we know Etihad Airways have entered into multiple sponsorship deals in multiple sports across the globe. There has never been any suggestion of impropriety anywhere else in the world. So, only in some years in England, and when sponsoring mens football, not womens, do Ethihad Airways become co-conspirators and engage in illegitimise sponsorships. This idea that we will be clobbered by some charges in some years but escape them in others is bollocks. In this thread we've seen multiple professionals delve into the PL Handbooks, our annual accounts, the CAS rulings, the Der Spiegal articles ad infinitum. Unless the PL have something completely new it's ALL or NOTHING about these 5 issues

1 Etihad Airways sponsorship
2 Etisalat sponsorship
3 Fordham Image rights
4 Mancini consultancy contract
5:Non cooperation

The fact that the PL were able to nefariously conjour up 130 charges from 5 issues has also been dissected, sliced and diced to death.

Are they alleging some years and not others for Etihad? I had assumed they were making the allegations for all years through 2018?

As for your list, I would just change:

Etisalat sponsorship to Etisalat and other Abu Dhabi sponsorships, and
Fordham image rights to Fordham/Toure image rights.

And I would add the two consequential allegations:

Not complying with PL FFP, and
Not complying with UEFA requirements, although maybe not, because, as I say, they are a consequence of failing the substantive allegations, which isn't likely to happen.

The PL also makes reference to related parties in their list of referred allegations. I am not sure what that means. Are they opening up the whole issue of ownership and related parties again? I would be surprised, but you never know.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Getting lots of memes showing piles of cash with the hilarious title "How City will be found not guilty of all charges"

My seemingly sensible brother in law (rag) is convinced if we “get let off” its because we bribed “The FA”.

This is what we are up against.
I asked him what the fuck its got to do with the FA anyway and how any bribe would go down.

He just said “money talks”

:))

 

[oldius]

My seemingly sensible brother in law (rag) is convinced if we “get let off” its because we bribed “The FA”.

This is what we are up against.
I asked him what the fuck its got to do with the FA anyway and how any bribe would go down.

He just said “money talks”

:))

Perfect example. I was discussing the case with a Liverpool fan. His take was that if we are found guilty, it's right; if we are found innocent, it's because of clever and expensive lawyers.
It started with the usual 'time-barred' stuff.
I showed the CAS media release, he didn't believe it.
It tribalism backed by envy and stupidity. His anger was unnatural.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Perfect example. I was discussing the case with a Liverpool fan. His take was that if we are found guilty, it's right; if we are found innocent, it's because of clever and expensive lawyers.
He doesn't have any evidence of either. If the PL win the case it is obviously not because of their lawyers. It tribalism backed by envy and stupidity.

Thats why the damage is done and if the aim was repetitional damage then its been a huge success because we are either guilty or bribing our way out of it in the eyes of the great unwashed

 

[Coatigan]

Dont get this way of thinking.
Its not win/lose. Its not a judgement call or an opinion that will be given. Its absolute truth, in either scenario. And frankly thats enough for me.

If the decision goes for city, it will be absolute justice finally, exoneration, clubs name clean, open season to go after anyone we want.

If the decision is against city, frankly the club has lied and covered it up for years, including to us fans. Its then down to each individual to decide whether they care about that or not.

I trust the club not to be guilty of what would be potentially the largest corporate fraud in sports history. So im relaxed about it and expect a positive outcome.

If not, will deal with it then.

Ultimately its truth that we get and it will be a relief either way and we can all move on with our lives.

Not really. It is very much a judgement call and could all come down to interpretation of the rules and accounting practices.

 

[eversince 76]

My seemingly sensible brother in law (rag) is convinced if we “get let off” its because we bribed “The FA”.

This is what we are up against.
I asked him what the fuck its got to do with the FA anyway and how any bribe would go down.

He just said “money talks”

:))

Money talks?
It doesn’t. Not for United anyways.

But hey, the media is able to switch peoples mind. It’s how they set up the way people think about our club as soon as the takeover by Arabs was a fact. It’s called propaganda.
Remember it’s an USA following media.

Oh … agenda … no that’s not possible is it?

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Not being a vindictive person I would not want to see our detractors in the press ruined financially but at the very least the press passes removed.

You are an old softie.

I`m a vindictive ****, I want all our detractor ruined financially, money, assets every thing. I want them and their families left destitute, potless, penniless and without a roof over their heads.

 

[J.G.Blue.]

Thats why the damage is done and if the aim was repetitional damage then its been a huge success because we are either guilty or bribing our way out of it in the eyes of the great unwashed

Exactly this, to the brain dead morons (ie the general public) there are only two possible outcomes to this trial,
Guilty.
or
Got Away with it.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

My seemingly sensible brother in law (rag) is convinced if we “get let off” its because we bribed “The FA”.

This is what we are up against.
I asked him what the fuck its got to do with the FA anyway and how any bribe would go down.

He just said “money talks”

:))

If it was my brother in law or brother come to that, I wouldn`t let them through the door.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Money talks?
It doesn’t. Not for United anyways.

But hey, the media is able to switch peoples mind. It’s how they set up the way people think about our club as soon as the takeover by Arabs was a fact. It’s called propaganda.
Remember it’s an USA following media.

The internet can mobilise people with an untrue narrative to go and throw bricks at mosques and set fire to hotels with asylum seekers inside. It’s very easy for them to use it to direct their rage at City for the monopoly that the rags had on English football being broken.

 

[SilverFox2]

They can only 'do something about city' if there is something to find.
The rest is just conjecture.

They could easily have stopped at any time and the mud would have still stuck.

I can well see us being found guilty on some of the charges and the punishment being spread over several years in order to cause the most damage to us.

Sure, we will appeal and the number of years reduced but I would simply be amazed if, after all these years of investigating, the legal team who are fronting this are happy to go into a wishy washy case and have their personal reputation damaged.

The flip side is that if we are found not guilty then the financial damages we would seek would be catastrophic to the Premier League.

Are the panel members all KCs? If so I agree on their need to remain true to their profession but otherwise like Leicester City first panel they are suspect.

 

[Kippax77]

Perfect example. I was discussing the case with a Liverpool fan. His take was that if we are found guilty, it's right; if we are found innocent, it's because of clever and expensive lawyers.
It started with the usual 'time-barred' stuff.
I showed the CAS media release, he didn't believe it.
It tribalism backed by envy and stupidity. His anger was unnatural.

Exactly this with a young rag in work yesterday.
I'm flabbergasted as to how many sheep are spoon fed by the media in this country.
Frightening when you stop to really think about it