PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Blue Mist]

I will give it a read. On Talksport he was basically saying they haven't done anything wrong, the premier league accepted their large claims of losses and other clubs should have followed suit.

That simply doesn't make sense. City Liverpool and a couple of London clubs could all make a similar amount from a pre season tour and yet, according to you, they all, for some unknown reason under declared. Why would they do that?

 

[Irlamblue]

The best evidence of our innocence is the silence, no whistle-blowers, former players, managers, ex-executive staff. If we'd have conspired to do what we're accused of over 15 years, well, just think rationally.

Bit like the moon landing conspiracy. You couldnt keep that amount of people quiet for that amount of time if something was amiss

 

[Blue Mist]

Apologies if already asked, but I've not been on the forum for a few days and haven't got the time to plough through hundreds of pages. With regard to United's losses, I believe they were allowed to deduct £40m for Covid, and £35m for the expenses of the club sale, but weren't their 3 year losses around £240m ??? If so, even with those discounted, the 3 year losses would still be around £165m which is STILL around £60m more than permitted losses under PSR ??

Have you never seen an old clip of Paul Daniels doing a magic trick, this is pretty much the same just without the lovely Debbie McGee.

 

[Lord Blue]

They must have been aware of Fordham as UEFA spoke to us about it in 2014 or 2015. As the PL act as the FFP licensor, they were surely either involved or at least aware of these discussions. And Fordham was visibly linked to City, specifically the Manchester City Sports Image Rights company, on the Companies House website. It's inconceivable that the Der Spiegel articles were the first that they'd heard about Fordham.

I'd have thought if we could show that the PL were acting under pressure from certain clubs, following the pretty definitive CAS outcome, that would have some impact on our case and that it was potentially vexatious rather than principled.

vexatious

lovely word

 

[Lord Blue]

I don't believe that GDPR was an issue the serve sanction could have been a jail sentence for the perpetrators and as ex employees of City there might have been an element of compassion

I could be wrong but

2013 - Liverpool hack City's database
2018 - GDPR becomes law.

So City couldn't have been done for GDPR. Wouldn't have looked good though.

 

[cheekybids]

They must have been aware of Fordham as UEFA spoke to us about it in 2014 or 2015. As the PL act as the FFP licensor, they were surely either involved or at least aware of these discussions. And Fordham was visibly linked to City, specifically the Manchester City Sports Image Rights company, on the Companies House website. It's inconceivable that the Der Spiegel articles were the first that they'd heard about Fordham.

I'd have thought if we could show that the PL were acting under pressure from certain clubs, following the pretty definitive CAS outcome, that would have some impact on our case and that it was potentially vexatious rather than principled.

Could you say “acting in bad faith?”

 

[Gordyola]

The MEN is a dying institution, scrambling round desperately trying to stay relevant, peddling click bait and trying to appeal to the masses. Certainly when it comes to City it makes no effort to display regional loyalty, which I find incredibly disappointing. The Liverpool Echo is practically a parody and we regularly poke fun at it for its heavily biased reporting of anything relating to its football teams, but there is no doubt whose side it is on. The MEN, on the other hand, sadly is prepared to sacrifice any local allegiance to placate the clickbait masses.

Years ago I had professional dealings with the MEN, it had some great people there and some very good journalists. Its unrecognisable to what it has become now, and if the people responsible for reporting on City aren't ashamed of what they are resorting to, then they should

Both owned by the Reach Group formerly Mirror own Mirror, Express, Record and Star and a long list of local titles Too much influence

 

[dadnlad]

Jamie Carragher and Nick Harris.

Rosie 'Arry's dog will know more about accounting

 

[Lord Blue]

Yes - detailed written arguments with references to their key documents will have been swapped a couple of weeks back

having seen the key documents, are we allowed to put forward additional related documents?

for silly instance if they said that the Sheikh was seen in a cafe with Mancini handing him a gold bar on Christmas day. Could City go away and get a document confirming that the Sheikh was in Abu Dhabi and Mancini was at Disney World on the day in question and whats more the cafe shuts on christmas day.

 

[Rochdale Blue]

Man City Till I Die - Facebook

Lord Pannick KC who’s leading the City group in representing Manchester City vs the Premier League was pictured smiling outside the International Dispute Resolution Centre earlier YESTERDAY when he came out of court.

Does that smile make you think we are about to lose the biggest case in sports history? No because we have the best representing us.

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Just happy to see he isn't wearing his Arsenal club tie.

 

[Matt Diablo]

Great post. I hope you're right pal!

He is right. The case is a sham. It's already a done deal . . .

 

[Mancini’s Pastilles]

All i hear from every **** is its obvious were guilty because they wouldn't of charged us with 115 if we didnt do something wrong. Its just a case of what punishment we get now and the only defence we have is to bribe our way to a lighter sentence of maybe a 30 point deduction

 

[nmc]

They must have been aware of Fordham as UEFA spoke to us about it in 2014 or 2015. As the PL act as the FFP licensor, they were surely either involved or at least aware of these discussions. And Fordham was visibly linked to City, specifically the Manchester City Sports Image Rights company, on the Companies House website. It's inconceivable that the Der Spiegel articles were the first they'd heard about Fordham.

I'd have thought if we could show that the PL were acting under pressure from certain clubs, following the pretty definitive CAS outcome, that would have some impact on our case and that it was potentially vexatious rather than principled.

Statute of limitations probably applies in this case - given it was so public and unlikely there’s anything untoward if the HMRC saw nothing too concerning.

 

[jacko74]

But do you breach the tax rules then go “rules are shit, so I can’t be punished?”.

Again we're back to the point (that you still haven't answered) that City had no choice but to sign up to the rules in the first place or else face equal or possibly even more severe consequences than they're now potentially facing

 

[Matt Diablo]

Shut down the hearing, the Dunney Monster says we’ve nothing to worry about

Got to love 1tonneDunne - not his double figures of own goals though! Shit I saw too many of them live:(

 

[manimanc]

He is right. The case is a sham. It's already a done deal . . .

I've still got a tenner in my back pocket with your name on if you give us a little bit more meat on the bone as to why you are very confident. :)

 

[cheekybids]

having seen the key documents, are we allowed to put forward additional related documents?

for silly instance if they said that the Sheikh was seen in a cafe with Mancini handing him a gold bar on Christmas day. Could City go away and get a document confirming that the Sheikh was in Abu Dhabi and Mancini was at Disney World on the day in question and whats more the cafe shuts on christmas day.

I think documents would have gone back & forth so all evidence should be in, so if they’d said that they’d have already been told that Sheik Mansour was at Pizza Express in Woking that day.

 

[M12Blue]

Man City Till I Die - Facebook

Lord Pannick KC who’s leading the City group in representing Manchester City vs the Premier League was pictured smiling outside the International Dispute Resolution Centre earlier YESTERDAY when he came out of court.

Does that smile make you think we are about to lose the biggest case in sports history? No because we have the best representing us.

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Sneaked out without paying for his sandwich.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Again we're back to the point (that you still haven't answered) that City had no choice but to sign up to the rules in the first place or else face equal or possibly even more severe consequences than they're now potentially facing

That’s life mate.

You as an individual are bound by every law in the land. You have no choice. Break them and off you pop to spend some time at HMP.

Whether you like it or not or agree with it or not.

Same for City and this. Either sign up and abide by the rules or fuck off. We signed up.

 

[Blue Mist]

@slbsn what is your opinion that the rags claimed 35 million for the sale of the shares to Scruffy Jim ?
It is surely a private matter between the Glazer family, who owned and were selling the shares and Scruffy. Would Scuffy be allowed to see company info which meant solicitors acting for the club had to be involved ?


Or was it just another con job ?