PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
Agree that I can't see the PL landing any of the main charges (with the possible exception of Toure which I don't know much about but is small anyway).

On the reason for pursuing the allegations, do you think there is any merit in my view that, at the end, they had no choice? They had investigated for four years and City were presumably withholding key external evidence, so they had a choice: drop the investigation which would set a terrible precedent, or refer the allegations knowing that the external evidence will disprove them when it is provided which would be a terrible result for the cost involved.

There are questions around the investigation and why and when it was carried out, but for the decision to eventually refer the allegations I am not sure they had a choice.

I have said before I think the club know exactly what they are doing, and have the PL exactly where they want them on this whole thing. Clever stuff.

Or maybe it's all bollocks. Interested in your view, though.
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This all came to light in 2018, when Der Spiegel published their series of articles. UEFA opened its investigation, as did the PL. In February 2020, UEFA banned us from European competitions for 2 seasons, which was overturned at CAS a few months later.

Yet it took a further 3 years for the PL to formally issue charges and hand the case over to the Independent Commission. We've always been of the opinion that this is a 'politically motivated' investigation, instigated by our US-owned rivals. With UEFA, there was always the impression that they were piggy-in-the-middle, who really didn't want the situation they were in. Hence why Ceferin offered us a seemingly reasonable deal, which we refused.

You can perhaps see parallels here, with Masters stuck between a rock and a hard place (although he should know that lying down with dogs will give you fleas). Wiser heads would probably have looked at the CAS verdict and accepted it, but they barrelled on regardless. Why?

Maybe it suits us and them. Us, because it's another chance to kill this stuff publicly, without backroom deals. For the PL maybe it's a way for them to show they've pursued this as far as they can but ultimately it's the decision of the IC when we're (hopefully) exonerated, so honour satisfied.
 
uwe rosler 28 said:
Well he would be clearing his own name to? As I see it and I may be wrong it's a hearing against us but if we are found guilty I'd imagine other people would have a lot to answer for and that include mancini.
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Do you honestly believe that Mancini would give a flying fuck what the PL think? Let alone the media or even idiots on social media?
 
dickie davies said:
Just for asking or even suggesting you should receive a thread ban
Why on earth would any bluemooner have any interest in what that bitter fat rag wanker has to say!
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I don’t bother with the guy, but when I seen a whole video about are 115 charges I just had to watch what he had to say lol,

It really does go over there heads, there very bitter the very same thing they have labelled us for years lol
 
️Former England boss, Sam Allardyce on ManCity’s 115 charges:

| “It seems like it boils down to three counts. What staggers me is how far they've gone back, I don't think the tax man's allowed to go back that far, is he?

| “I might be wrong because I'm not a tax expert, but if it happened 10 years ago, they should have been brought to task 10 years ago - not now. That was then, this is now. You couldn't get anything to court now 10 years on if you wanted it, so why are they allowed to go beyond that.”

| "If it's on the three counts, then possibly 10 points, maybe 12, if it's really big, maybe 15. People are talking about relegation, but if it’s just boiling down to those three, then it's a point deduction, and they can live with that fine and will get on with it.

| “Everybody will say it won't be enough, and they (City) should be relegated. We won't really understand it because they won't release exactly what's happened behind the scenes.

| “If there's no appeal after that and Man City have to take it on the chin, they will get on with it. If there's another appeal avenue, then Man City will exploit it if they're unhappy with the outcome because that’s their right.”
 
bitterblue78 said:
️Former England boss, Sam Allardyce on ManCity’s 115 charges:

| “It seems like it boils down to three counts. What staggers me is how far they've gone back, I don't think the tax man's allowed to go back that far, is he?

| “I might be wrong because I'm not a tax expert, but if it happened 10 years ago, they should have been brought to task 10 years ago - not now. That was then, this is now. You couldn't get anything to court now 10 years on if you wanted it, so why are they allowed to go beyond that.”

| "If it's on the three counts, then possibly 10 points, maybe 12, if it's really big, maybe 15. People are talking about relegation, but if it’s just boiling down to those three, then it's a point deduction, and they can live with that fine and will get on with it.

| “Everybody will say it won't be enough, and they (City) should be relegated. We won't really understand it because they won't release exactly what's happened behind the scenes.

| “If there's no appeal after that and Man City have to take it on the chin, they will get on with it. If there's another appeal avenue, then Man City will exploit it if they're unhappy with the outcome because that’s their right.”
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I'd love to see a video of that interview because I imagine he asked that question about the tax man seriously, and sweating bullets
 
It feels like they have known all along that they wouldn't be able to prove most everything. Its been about prolonging the idea of wrongdoing that why it's taken 3/4 years to bring charges and not even be arsed to double check if they made sense.
As has been mentioned, it will be announced as 'can't prove our innocence'
It's piss poor from a piss poor organisation.

I'm not really bothered about suing them but I want a strongly worded agreed announcement clearing everything up.
 
give it to gordon said:
I don't understand how the non cartel clubs have just sat back and allowed the cartel clubs to use their money to fund this hearing.
Some non cartel clubs have had points deducted, some have had to sell players to get I side the financial rules.
Yet one cartel club with nearly a billion in debt failed UEFA ffp and did a deal worth 75million with the pl not to be charged.

Why are these non cartel clubs just sitting back and doing nothing ?
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their happy being in pl getting rid of 1 team moves them up a position
what will make me piss is if they fail psr due to costs of premier league case as you know rag liverpool arsenal and little spurs will have clause inserted so not accountable
 
give it to gordon said:
I don't understand how the non cartel clubs have just sat back and allowed the cartel clubs to use their money to fund this hearing.
Some non cartel clubs have had points deducted, some have had to sell players to get I side the financial rules.
Yet one cartel club with nearly a billion in debt failed UEFA ffp and did a deal worth 75million with the pl not to be charged.

Why are these non cartel clubs just sitting back and doing nothing ?
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Never forget that these “clubs” are actually an old boys network that loans out players, determines transfer fees and that on field competition is just one of the business relationships they have.

While it is clear there is an actual sporting competition at the heart of the PL, it is increasingly becoming a business, born of business relationships between multi-billionaire megalomaniacs used to getting their own way.

Mansour doesn’t eat at their table and, as such, has become the object of their hate and derision, much like a bad remake of the movie “Means Girls.”

It is not lost on many that City have completely changed the way PL clubs do business, not only domestically, but in their global CFG business, and there’s a reason it is being duplicated.

Just as people seem to think Boehly at Chelsea is a fucking idiot for the way he is running that club, so you have to understand he is a high level billionaire who operates sports franchises across the globe. He has CLEARLY studied PSR and FFP, and determined they have found where the holes in the Swiss cheese line up!

When you think of the money spent, and the results to date, it looks mental, but he can afford to play the long game, which is why they’ve vacuumed up the best young talent they can find, locked it in for 5-7 yrs and brought in a young manager who learned at the feet of the best manager in the world.

Boehly isn’t looking to 2025, he’s looking at 2025-2030…much like Khaldoon spoke of the 10 year Project here.

We assume these clubs all hate each other, just as we want City players to hate United and Liverpool players. NEWSFLASH: They don’t, and (with exceptions) never really have!

The football business makes too much money for too many serious people for there to be internecine warfare. However, they don’t want an outsider, especially one who has no need to play inside THEIR tent, to reap the majority of the spoils.

It’s no secret that the PL want the red shirts to have success, because their success drives the overseas TV revenues based on their legacy from the 2000’s, when global cable TV took off. Mansour and Khaldoon have upset that apple cart and have yet to come to their table to play nice. After this nuke attack, one wonders whether they’ve chosen MAD or believe they can get away with a pre-emptive strike and destroy Mansour. My money says they can’t and will only serve to inflict self-harm!

TBD.
 
bitterblue78 said:
️Former England boss, Sam Allardyce on ManCity’s 115 charges:

| “It seems like it boils down to three counts. What staggers me is how far they've gone back, I don't think the tax man's allowed to go back that far, is he?

| “I might be wrong because I'm not a tax expert, but if it happened 10 years ago, they should have been brought to task 10 years ago - not now. That was then, this is now. You couldn't get anything to court now 10 years on if you wanted it, so why are they allowed to go beyond that.”

| "If it's on the three counts, then possibly 10 points, maybe 12, if it's really big, maybe 15. People are talking about relegation, but if it’s just boiling down to those three, then it's a point deduction, and they can live with that fine and will get on with it.

| “Everybody will say it won't be enough, and they (City) should be relegated. We won't really understand it because they won't release exactly what's happened behind the scenes.

| “If there's no appeal after that and Man City have to take it on the chin, they will get on with it. If there's another appeal avenue, then Man City will exploit it if they're unhappy with the outcome because that’s their right.”
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I saw this yesterday and was wondering when BFS suddenly became so sensible. Maybe he’s after a job at the Club ?
 
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