Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

One good outcome for the Jews during this conflict so far, is the incredible display of the Iron Dome system.
No doubt, the demand for this system will go through the roof.
 
Pelegrinni said:
Yeah. Let's turn off the supply of arms to a nation that is under attack from seven fronts while remaining silent on the flow of arms to their enemies.
Why not just be honest and say you want the destruction of Israel.
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Because that's not what I want or said (you cock).
 
Pelegrinni said:
One good outcome for the Jews during this conflict so far, is the incredible display of the Iron Dome system.
No doubt, the demand for this system will go through the roof.
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You mean the state of Israel, not "the Jews". And you're crazy if you think countries will be lining up to spend a load of money on an iron dome of their own. Most of them aren't illegally occupying their neighbour's land for starters.
 
Mon Autre said:
You mean the state of Israel, not "the Jews". And you're crazy if you think countries will be lining up to spend a load of money on an iron dome of their own. Most of them aren't illegally occupying their neighbour's land for starters.
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Out of interest, which land(s) are illegally occupied?
When did this illegal occupation began?
 
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Pelegrinni said:
One good outcome for the Jews during this conflict so far, is the incredible display of the Iron Dome system.
No doubt, the demand for this system will go through the roof.
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That's why the Israeli Goverment Murder children by the Thousands. The Iron dome and the Americans protect them. Do you think the theft of land and slaughtering of Palestinians would be happening with your backs not being covered by those cunts over the pond?
 
Pelegrinni said:
Yeah. Let's turn off the supply of arms to a nation that is under attack from seven fronts while remaining silent on the flow of arms to their enemies.
Why not just be honest and say you want the destruction of Israel.
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I think the lack of honesty is your interpretation of what MSC wrote.
I don’t interpret it that way at all.
Sounds to me like he would look for a credible way of getting Israel around the table, looking for a credible solution that might benefit all in the region, not just the continued might is right approach.
 
crooky said:
Just caught the start of the news. Sounds like a ground war might start? But I thought Israel were by factors the strongest military force in the region?

So any battles they're involved in will be quite one sided...and not worth getting involved in?
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It'll be exactly the same as the Hamas battles. They'll be fighting blokes hiding in tunnels or amongst civilians in civilian areas. Obviously the Israeli's don't care about that.

It's really hard to understand what the end goal is but any incursion beyond securing the border should be seen as a red line for the west.
 
inbetween said:
It'll be exactly the same as the Hamas battles. They'll be fighting blokes hiding in tunnels or amongst civilians in civilian areas. Obviously the Israeli's don't care about that.

It's really hard to understand what the end goal is but any incursion beyond securing the border should be seen as a red line for the west.
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Is it really?
Give it a go.



It’s a horrible horrible thought, but I’ve said it in here before, and I’ve not seen anything to sway my opinion but October 7th as terrible as it was just seems to me to be the opportunity Netanyahu was looking for.

It justifies all his actions. He has no concern for those hostages either. They are collateral damage, while he presses ahead with what he and his support always wanted.

I think they are making hay while the sun shines. Get as much as possible achieved before the American presidential elections.
Then see what he’s dealing with.
He knows there will not be any recriminations before then.

The UN? They have no respect for them anyway.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I think the lack of honesty is your interpretation of what MSC wrote.
I don’t interpret it that way at all.
Sounds to me like he would look for a credible way of getting Israel around the table, looking for a credible solution that might benefit all in the region, not just the continued might is right approach.
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It's a fine line between legitimate defence for Israel and something more sinister/horrific. I think at the very least we should be attaching some significant strings or limitations to the continued supply of arms.
 
The blue phantom said:
That's why the Israeli Goverment Murder children by the Thousands. The Iron dome and the Americans protect them. Do you think the theft of land and slaughtering of Palestinians would be happening with your backs not being covered by those cunts over the pond?
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The children were killed because Hamas started a war and made no provision for the safety of their civilians. Instead, they hid their fighters in tunnels while they let the civilians suffer. Hezbollah is adopting the same playbook in Lebanon now.

I still believe that the Palestinians would be better off through dialogue than through jihad.
For example, many thousands of their citizens had jobs in Israel before this conflict.
It seems very few cares about these innocent people who are now paying the price for this conflict.

Anyone who cares about the suffering of the Palestinians would push for peace in the region.
Hamas and Hezbollah don't want peace with Israel. Hence, these groups have to go because their actions is leading to death and sufferings for tens of thousand of innocent people.
 
Pelegrinni said:
The children were killed because Hamas started a war and made no provision for the safety of their civilians. Instead, they hid their fighters in tunnels while they let the civilians suffer. Hezbollah is adopting the same playbook in Lebanon now.

I still believe that the Palestinians would be better off through dialogue than through jihad.
For example, many thousands of their citizens had jobs in Israel before this conflict.
It seems very few cares about these innocent people who are now paying the price for this conflict.

Anyone who cares about the suffering of the Palestinians would push for peace in the region.
Hamas and Hezbollah don't want peace with Israel. Hence, these groups have to go because their actions is leading to death and sufferings for tens of thousand of innocent people.
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Don’t in any way take this response as condoning any group, military, terrorist?

But we know here in Ireland from experience that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
In the face of incredible odds people throughout the world have held out for incredible lengths of time, in the face of terrible persecution, intimidation, out and out corruption and bullying, using what is described as Guerrilla tactics.

In the end if you want peace, let alone reconciliation, then you have to sit down and talk to your perceived enemy. That’s if you truly want peace.
 
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mancity2012_eamo said:
Don’t in any way take this response as condoning any group, military, terrorist?

But we know here in Ireland from experience that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
In the face of incredible odds people throughout the world have held out for incredible lengths of time, in the face of terrible persecution, intimidation, out and out corruption and bullying, using what is described as Guerilla tactics.

In the end if you want peace, let alone reconciliation, then you have to sit down and talk to your perceived enemy. That’s if you truly want peace.
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I guess the Palestinians don't want peace as they want their land back.

Israel don't want peace as their goal is under the cover of war to expand their territory.
 
robbieh said:
I guess the Palestinians don't want peace as they want their land back.

Israel don't want peace as their goal is under the cover of war to expand their territory.
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What land do they want back?

Gaza was ruled by Egypt between 1948 and 1967. The West Bank was ruled by Jordan between the same period.
If anything, Israel should return these territories back to Egypt and Jordan.

Israel returned the Sinai back to Egypt in exchange for peace. To date, there has been no conflict because both sides honoured the deal.

Israel left Gaza in 2005 but they never got peace. Instead, they got rockets rained on them by Hamas.
 
Eds said:
Thanks for your response although you haven't answered my first question, nor the second (BTW looks like you mistyped IDF). Point three is still a red herring and as for point four Hezbollah and Hamas hide amongst civilians so the point still stands.

Have a nice day.
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The first question is answered.

The IOF (Israel Occupational Forces) is the term to redefine IDF. The acronym IOF was first referred to by former IDF themselves. Not Palestinians, not Arabs, not non-Jews. But Jewish soldier reservists years before 7th October.

Impressive you opt to mention ‘red herring’. I thought you are pro zionism, but you rather double entrende by red heifer.

On the fourth, ah, armchair critic personified. Sad.
 
Pelegrinni said:
What land do they want back?

Gaza was ruled by Egypt between 1948 and 1967. The West Bank was ruled by Jordan between the same period.
If anything, Israel should return these territories back to Egypt and Jordan.

Israel returned the Sinai back to Egypt in exchange for peace. To date, there has been no conflict because both sides honoured the deal.

Israel left Gaza in 2005 but they never got peace. Instead, they got rockets rained on them by Hamas.
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You're being very selective with your dates!

British mandated Palestine included Gaza and the West Bank. This was the Palestine that was supposedly going to be 2 states. Although that was scuppered overnight as Jewish militias flushed Arabs from their homes in what is now Israel. Many of these Arabs fled to Gaza.
You might also want to consider that until 1800 the Jewish population of Palestine was less than 1%.

It is true that there was steady immigration but even in 1922 the Arab population was 650,000 and the Jewish 84,000.
 
robbieh said:
You're being very selective with your dates!

British mandated Palestine included Gaza and the West Bank. This was the Palestine that was supposedly going to be 2 states. Although that was scuppered overnight as Jewish militias flushed Arabs from their homes in what is now Israel. Many of these Arabs fled to Gaza.
You might also want to consider that until 1800 the Jewish population of Palestine was less than 1%.

It is true that there was steady immigration but even in 1922 the Arab population was 650,000 and the Jewish 84,000.
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You omitted Jordan from that list.
 
robbieh said:
Not sure what your point is. Trans Jordan was under British rule but was not Palestine.
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Trans Jordan was a part of Palestine.

In 1920, the World War I Allies conferred on Britain a Mandate to govern Palestine, an area on both sides of the Jordan River that had been part of the Ottoman Empire. This Mandate, confirmed by the League of Nations in 1922, remained unchanged during the League's lifetime. Though the Mandate incorporated Britain's 1917 commitment to provide a homeland in Palestine for the Jews - the Balfour Declaration - the Mandate did not provide a homeland for Arabs living there, though it did protect their ''civil and religious'' but not political rights. Two months after the League approved the Mandate, the British Colonial Secretary, Winston Churchill, changed the rules and the picture. He created the Emirate of Transjordan, installing the Hashemite Abdullah, Hussein's grandfather, as Emir of all the land east of the Jordan River.
 
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