North Stand Construction Discussion

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

The Main Stand Moaners will moan about where it is even if they were given Khaldoon’ seat and every ticket included a gobble from Margot Robbie

I haven't received that offer

***checks emails furiously***

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Lots of points being made about flexi golds and hyperbole. For balance, I would like to see criticisms by fans groups of season card hoarding. Emory seats left with some season card holders just attending the “big games”.

 

[Luddite_Blue]

Make SSL3 all safe standing.
Have an OAP section somewhere else in the ground for those who can’t or won’t stand.

I completely agree that making SSL3 all safe standing and then promoting it as the main vocal section would now be the best option and then there wouldn't need to be any safe standing in the new North Stand. This would also allow City to market the North Stand as the plush new stand and charge a bit of a premium for it, which could be used to help keep prices down in the South Stand L1 and L3.

And there would be some people in SSL3 who weren't happy which your second point largely addresses.

I just don't think there's enough singers for both ends of the ground. And given the long standing tradition at City of the vocal fans going next to the away fans, I think City would have had to push the new North Stand really hard with it all being safe standing and cheaper tickets to get the vast majority of singers to move. With what's been proposed I think the overwhelming majority of singers will stay where they are.

 

[HelloCity]

I heard about the number of tickets that get transferred from City Execs at a fans meeting IIRC. Try looking on the Facebook pages and X in the lead up to the Fulham game. This will be the minority of tickets getting transferred but you might get an idea of scale.

I’ve said there will be season cards in the North Stand and you now appear to agree with me on they specific point, unless I’m missing something.

I’ve answered your questions. Now please explain to me how flexi golds will be so damaging. What research have you done to support your view? I know lots of families they were delighted to get their kids flexi golds btw

Non of your points have any intellectual foundations and often blur the lines of both the subject and the truth.

- You’re unable to substantiate your claims about 10k tickets being transferred.

- You’re unable to substantiate your claim about a lot of season ticket holders not going to half the games.

- You talk about fan groups on Facebook which half the time are posting made up stories (I’ve seen the made up fantasy 115 court room crap).

- You’re can’t talk about how you would go about creating an atmospheric end under the proposed set up.

- You think attendance would be no different between a season card and a flexi gold but can only back it up with stats you saw on FB.

Also because you’re blurring the lines so much, no one is talking about flexi golds being outright bad, in fact they’re a great option for those that like to pick and choose. Rather, the lack of season tickets at all (potentially according to City Matters) means we are seeing fans having to pay higher prices overall which is an issue).

Probably also worth pointing out that flexi gold members also don’t have to sit in the same seat each game…

So…… please tell us your proposal for an atmospheric north stand under the current planned seating arrangement.

 

[Bournemouth Blue]

The reality is that if City’s owners did what the fans want, we would no longer be able to attract World class players and would probably end up struggling to stay in the Premier League, but at least some here would like that so they could get tickets

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Non of your points have any intellectual foundations and often blur the lines of both the subject and the truth.

- You’re unable to substantiate your claims about 10k tickets being transferred.

- You’re unable to substantiate your claim about a lot of season ticket holders not going to half the games.

- You talk about fan groups on Facebook which half the time are posting made up stories (I’ve seen the made up fantasy 115 court room crap).

- You’re can’t talk about how you would go about creating an atmospheric end under the proposed set up.

- You think attendance would be no different between a season card and a flexi gold but can only back it up with stats you saw on FB.

Also because you’re blurring the lines so much, no one is talking about flexi golds being outright bad, in fact they’re a great option for those that like to pick and choose. Rather, the lack of season tickets at all (potentially according to City Matters) means we are seeing fans having to pay higher prices overall which is an issue).

Probably also worth pointing out that flexi gold members also don’t have to sit in the same seat each game…

So…… please tell us your proposal for an atmospheric north stand under the current seating arrangement.

Comtrary to your sneering essay, it's you that offers precisely nothing. If City’s execs say at least 10k tickets are transferred for the majority of games I tend to believe them.

I don’t see somebody with a flexi good as being less worthy car holder than somebody with the “full season card”. In fact it might suit many people / families’ circumstances.
I would reduce the initial payment though.

There’s one way to improve the atmosphere. Get more people to sing.

You’ve not provided one shrewd of evidence of how flexi golds are worse than the atmosphere. My own preference would be for peole committing to the vast majority of games to get the full season card.

Who are you to demand a solution to the atmosphere problems from me. Again, the solution is for more fans to raise their forces and get behind the team. If they people at the front of blocks encouraging more singing, all well and good IMHO

I will tell you something about my contribution. I run a Supporters Club Branch and more than doubled the membership over the years. In the ground I sing throughout most of the game. When I can I subsidise tickets to help less well off people to get into games.

What exactly do you do? You’ve had plenty to say. No is the time for you to show some credentials.

Btw I think the biggest hypocrites are those who tell everyone about their socialist agenda and when it comes down to helping others, they tend to do Sweet FA

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

I completely agree that making SSL3 all safe standing and then promoting it as the main vocal section would now be the best option and then there wouldn't need to be any safe standing in the new North Stand. This would also allow City to market the North Stand as the plush new stand and charge a bit of a premium for it, which could be used to help keep prices down in the South Stand L1 and L3.

And there would be some people in SSL3 who weren't happy which your second point largely addresses.

I just don't think there's enough singers for both ends of the ground. And given the long standing tradition at City of the vocal fans going next to the away fans, I think City would have had to push the new North Stand really hard with it all being safe standing and cheaper tickets to get the vast majority of singers to move. With what's been proposed I think the overwhelming majority of singers will stay where they are.

We are not going to sell 8000 premium seats in the new NS. I would rather they made it affordable for the many, although I doubt they will.

 

[jrb]

Lots of points being made about flexi golds and hyperbole. For balance, I would like to see criticisms by fans groups of season card hoarding. Emory seats left with some season card holders just attending the “big games”.

There’s not prefect solution. Season tickets and match day tickets, home and away ;-), have always been open to abuse. But why should City fans have to pay an extra £150 membership fee to purchase a flexi gold season ticket? I asked that question earlier today, but nobody has tried to answer my question yet.

 

[HelloCity]

Btw I think the biggest hypocrites are those who tell everyone about their socialist agenda and when it comes down to helping others, they tend to do Sweet FA

Ffs

Yeah, I’m out haha.

 

[Luddite_Blue]

Make the SSL 2 & 3 all City with away fans shifted below into ESL1 and around the corner flag, the poorest position for acoustics and views in the whole stadium.

My main issue with this is if SSL3 was to be the main vocal area then to avoid having to give it away for cup games then having some away fans in SSL3, giving them what they used to get in SSL1 and SSL2 and then going round the corner into the East Stand L1 and L2 should then be able to make up the cup allocation.

Also, having some away fans in SSL3 does normally create more of an atmosphere there

 

[Tim of the Oak]

There’s not prefect solution. Season tickets and match day tickets, home and away ;-), have always been open to abuse. But why should City fans have to pay an extra £150 membership fee to purchase a flexi gold season ticket? I asked that question earlier today, but nobody has tried to answer my question yet.

I’ve posted on here that the up front payment is too much. It’s hard to get the perfect figure but the Club could easily halve that charge.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Ffs

Yeah, I’m out haha.

You’ve been found out. It’s no big deal

 

[HelloCity]

You’ve been found out. It’s no big deal

One of us has…

 

[Tim of the Oak]

One of us has…

I thought you were finished lol

 

[jrb]

I’ve posted on here that the up front payment is too much. It’s hard to get the perfect figure but the Club could easily halve that charge.

Tim.

There shouldn’t be charge, never mind halve the charge.

There’s absolutely no reason at all why the club shouldn’t be selling standard season tickets to City fans without a (£150) charge. Flexi Gold is just another money making scam devised by the club.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Here’s a summary of what I think would help:
- affordable ticket prices across the stand and particularly in the rail seating areas.
- any more expensive tickets are limited to a small quantity of premium seats (not corporate). I’m not sure for the sky walk ticket holders.
- no drums / megaphones but ultra style fans leading the signing in North Stand L2.
- Some additional full season cards for Blues who can demo they they attend the vast majority of games.
- Reduce the upfront charges on Flexi-golds
- Allow fans to transfer to North Stand L2 in groups / friends and family.
- people moving to the rail seat blocks to make a commitment to sing throughout much of games.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Tim.

There shouldn’t be charge, never mind half the charge.

There’s absolutely no reason at all why the club shouldn’t be selling standard season tickets to City fans without a (£150) charge. It’s just another money making scam by the club.

There’s some benefit to be guaranteed a seat for every game but be able to choose which matches you attend / pay for. I can also see the case for no charge though.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

My main issue with this is if SSL3 was to be the main vocal area then to avoid having to give it away for cup games then having some away fans in SSL3, giving them what they used to get in SSL1 and SSL2 and then going round the corner into the East Stand L1 and L2 should then be able to make up the cup allocation.

Also, having some away fans in SSL3 does normally create more of an atmosphere there

NS2 Will morph into another atmosphere end by virtue of its size and 'novelty' value.

SS 3/2 + two thirds of 1 will be an established alternative for relocators from ES1 which is where the away fans should be shifted.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

There’s not prefect solution. Season tickets and match day tickets, home and away ;-), have always been open to abuse. But why should City fans have to pay an extra £150 membership fee to purchase a flexi gold season ticket? I asked that question earlier today, but nobody has tried to answer my question yet.

The obvious answer to that is £150 is added to the price (as a minimum) of this new version of a seasoncard. This is even higher if the member doesn't attend all 19 home games.

Who benefits?

Firstly, supporters who attend, or want to attend, most league games but haven't been able to get a full SC as none have been released since Covid. Those on here who managed to get one of the 600 released for this season were ecstatic as it means they can go to all the league games they want to in the same seat without paying extortionate match day prices.

Obviously it's mainly the club which benefits mostly as it's a poorly disguised price increase and it enables them to sell more seats at match day prices as Flexi-Gold holders can't transfer tickets they have purchased.

Anyone trying to paint Flexi-Gold members as being tourists or lesser supporters needs to have a long, hard think about that.

 

[blueparrot]

Tim.

There shouldn’t be charge, never mind half the charge.

There’s absolutely no reason at all why the club shouldn’t be selling standard season tickets to City fans without a (£150) charge. It’s just another money making scam by the club.

If somebody wants to go to every game I agree, and some normal S/C s should be available after the extension opens at least 4/5000.
If it’s a Matchday buyer that just wants the minimum 10 games then the £150 and buying the 10 tickets works out far cheaper than 10 match tickets and is great value.The issue is those buying it for all the games and seeing it as a normal S/C, when it should be seen more as targeted to Matchday buyers that don’t want to go to every game.