City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

gordondaviesmoustache said:
The overwhelming majority of clients follow the advice they are given, although sometimes reluctantly!
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This all day long - although in my experience the advice is often describing the degree of risk involved in a course of action and not always definitive. The advice the PL got and the wording I think is clearer and to ignore it after we had indicated we would take action quite mad.
 
Mon Autre said:
Can I just check if my understanding of things is roughly correct?

Depending on your allegiances/agenda you can essentially cherry pick parts of the ruling to claim an overall victory in the court of public opinion. The PL "won" on some points and City on others.

PL claiming victory on the finding that the concept of FMV is lawful (though I'm not sure City disputed that?)

City claiming victory on the finding that their current implementation is unlawful.

People can argue about the spin of it on forums and twitter but what is the actual outcome and impact on clubs?

It seems that clubs who favour cash injections from related parties via sponsorship (e.g. City, Newcastle etc) will benefit as the rules around FMV are likely to be loosened and they will therefore see a boost to their p&l?

It seems clubs who favour cash injections from related parties via interest free loans are now going to have to see those rules applied evenly to them and they will therefore see a big hit to their P&L every year.

So regardless of who appears to be winning any argument online or in the press, the long and the short of it is that the ruling has a net benefit to clubs like City. We'll be making more and Arsenal will be making less?

This has always felt inevitable when rules were being made not in the name of fairness, but in the name of protecting those with a head start. Loopholes left in by design were always susceptible to challenges like this.
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Good summation that mate. This bit is key though:
Mon Autre said:
People can argue about the spin of it on forums and twitter but what is the actual outcome and impact on clubs?
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The moronic mindset of the majority of fans who support the likes of the Arse etc. have absolutely no idea how this will affect their clubs. They will, in all likelihood, be in for a nasty shock further down the line as they mistakenly attempt to hold the moral high ground for a few weeks.
 
ManCitizens. said:
The Premier League have been called unlawful, unreasonable and unfair.

City can sue for damages.

The PL have called an emergency meeting (why if they’ve won?).

The current APT rules need to be changed.

How this is being spun so both sides won is completely laughable. The press are completely ignoring the fact we have previously voted in favour of APT rules, just not in the current format. I highly suspect us trying to get them thrown out completely was a legal tactic advised by our legal team, you go big not expecting to win big.
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Regarding suing for damages (and someone with a legal head will probably know more here). If the PL dismissed some of/most of City's challenges, could the PL seek legal costs? And in which case would it be deemed better to find a settlement?
 
Keeper! said:
I agree with your points but why would we want to smash the PL?

We simply want an open minded , well governed league.

If we win the 115 case we will be in a place of great strength and will become one of the clubs dictating the future of the league.
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More smashing certain clubs in the premier league.
 
cheekybids said:
Why wouldn’t you?

Regulators should not be getting caught up in emotion especially when working at this level.
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There can be lots of reasons, but the underlying one is that they are telling you something you don’t want to hear!

There is a world of difference, however, between getting your barrister through legal aid and the cab rank rule and them telling you that you should plead guilty, and you decide to have a trial against that advice - and a commercial organisation paying huge sums for a KC who they have consciously chosen for that purpose because they are a leader in the field, and ignoring their advice (that they have paid huge sums for).

That takes some force of will.
 
mancboy said:
The ruling was sent to the pl and city around 2 to 3 weeks ago, it was sent to the other pl clubs yesterday, its impossible to think that one of them wouldnt have leaked it, also the ruling forced the pl to release a poorly and hastily put together face saving statement so it was always going to get out.
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As someone mentioned it seems calculated to release it on the anniversary of the Hamas attack 7/10. Was it 911 when spin doctors were found to have told their clients get your dirty washing out in the public so it’s lost in the news.
 
Blue Mist said:
The PL stated that loans given by directors did not have to be declared for PSR. This helped Arsenal and others comply with the rules.
It's now been ruled illegal and the PL state it only counts from now and will not be backdated.
If it's unlawful and has been for 3 years, how can they just ignore the loans ? That in itself sounds unlawful. In other words they've failed PSR for 3 years.
Further, even if it starts from now, I assume Arsenal will have to declare any outstanding loans and could therefore he in deep shit. Can anyone enlighten me.
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im sure if caught us it would be backdated, i dont know but city might be playing game oh look what weve found finacial doping but never mind were above being bitter about just dont do it again
 
homerdog said:
Barney Ronay is a mendacious ****, made clear by his claims that the PL statement and ours were "notable for their contrasting tones":

The Premier League went for airy and vindicated, not angry just sad. Manchester City stuck with terse, hostile and finger-pointy.
So on the one hand we have: “The Premier League welcomes the Tribunal’s findings, which endorsed the overall objectives, framework and decision-making of the APT system.” But wait. What’s this? “The Club has succeeded with its claim: the Associated Party Transaction (APT) rules have been found to be unlawful.”

He obviously missed the bit where our statement opened with:
"Manchester City Football Club thanks the distinguished members of the Arbitral Tribunal for their work and considerations and welcomes their findings."

Terse, hostile and finger-pointy, my arse! Go fuck yourself Ronay!
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Terse, hostile and fingerpointy is absolutely fine by me though. The tone of our statement is perfectly apt imo.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
It is incredible that the BBC online team has ignored the judgement summary which spells out in stark terms that the PL has acted illegally and unfairly. This can’t be an accident. This can only be bad faith.
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Is this misinformation, disinformation or malinformation or perhaps a combination of all three?
 
Stelea said:
Already demoted to 2nd news story on Sky Sports News
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While the results of the APT judgement was announced, the senior SSN reporter spent all her time yesterday (Reddy) outside Old Scaffold telling us the rags are planning a meeting.
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mancboy said:
The ruling was sent to the pl and city around 2 to 3 weeks ago, it was sent to the other pl clubs yesterday, its impossible to think that one of them wouldnt have leaked it, also the ruling forced the pl to release a poorly and hastily put together face saving statement so it was always going to get out.
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I'm not sure about the hastily bit? The ruling could only be released when both parties agreed, if the PL didn't have a statement ready they needed to simply not agree to it's release until they did?
 
threespires said:
There is a huge sports news story to be told here, an independent panel of three well respected retired judges have issued a report and adjudication that suggests that the governing body of one of the most important sports leagues in the world is, at its most generous interpretation, utterly incompetent and chaotic or, much worse, utterly corrupt and in cahoots with a subset of clubs to disort and manipulate the competition. In many ways the fact it was City bringing the action is irrelevant to the real substance of the story.

But instead what we get from.significant portions of the press is the kind of crap Barney Ronay has served up today which has already been called out by multiple posters. The level of sophistry being employed to avoid writing the real story is an indication, with a few honourable exceptions, of just how bankrupt much of what passes for sports journalism in this country these days actually is.
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On the last paragraph, being perfectly honest, I'm not sure I would want it any other way! Their feeble and obvious attempts here make it somewhat all that little bit more enjoyable.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
After explaining to my mate that we did get a result and not lose he ended the WhatsApp chat with "don't know what you were all moaning about to win everything anyway"....it's his goto line, uses it with shit reffing decisions when he has nowhere to go with his points.

Such a shame this has been made public during an international break..... almost like it was planned that way.
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Both parties held the cards as to when it was published as both had to agree to it before it was released, if City felt it was a bad time PR wise they could have just held off.
 
Gray said:
From the BBC, tucked away down near the bottom of their article.

However, on page 163, it outlines that declaratory relief, injunctive relief and damages can be sought. This could be a financial problem for the Premier League depending on whether City pursue a claim - which they have indicated they will - and what the size of it is.

Of even greater issue are the comments on page 164, which point out a number of the Premier League's rules are unlawful as they don't include shareholder loans. It is this which forms the basis of City saying the Premier League has "violated UK competition law".

So we can claim relief and damages not the PL, and they allowed shareholder loans which makes their rules unlawful.

Think that shows we got what we came for.
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It's a draw/ win for the PL too, so surely page 165 should describe how they can pursue their own claim against city?
 
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