If 17 pts are required to make the top 8, then we have to win 4 and draw 1 from the remaining 6 games. Given that we play away from home all of PSG, Juve and Sporting, the task may not be trivial. Reckon 1-2 from the favourites might fail to qualify directly.
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New CL Format Thoughts
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I've no problem with that providing the teams are selected on merit, and there is promotion and relegation between the ESL and national leagues. Many of my objections to an ESL disappeared when the PL demonstrated they weren't capable of running a football competition. - And a merit-based ESL would embarrass the rags as they wouldn't be in it.It's' the beginning of a mid week European super league.
Agreed but it will happen.I've no problem with that providing the teams are selected on merit, and there is promotion and relegation between the ESL and national leagues. Many of my objections to an ESL disappeared when the PL demonstrated they weren't capable of running a football competition. - And a merit-based ESL would embarrass the rags as they wouldn't be in it.
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Perhaps the club should have an "as it stands" table on one of the screens during the Brugges game, if we're not through beforehand.Fair play, you have to get through a lot of stages before you get to club coefficient which means a team would go through based purely based on this year's performance.
God help the commentators on the last day trying to keep up and explain all that though.
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I doubt the historic so-called big clubs would agree as 9th to 16th is pushed as being sort of equivalent to finishing second.I think overall it's a better idea than the previous group stage as when was the last time a team that you thought could be a threat was eliminated in the group stage? i think there needs to be 5 teams from the top 4 nations replacing the absolute dross we faced on Tuesday. Also I think if you don't get top 8 the draw between teams 9th to 24th needs to be unseeded which would add extra jeopardy to not finishing top 8. There will be some good teams that don't finish top 8 but don't think it will matter much in this format.
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Right lads, how do we get 55 national champions (and possibly the previous winner) into a group stage format? And we'd need several "history clubs" to keep the broadcasters (and the clubs) happy.I can UEFA expanding this format to merge the UEFA Europa League teams in and present a single European tournament one day. It could adapt easily to accommodate more clubs. My only disappointment is the lack of fresh club in the CL in recent years, up to the new format. Clubs that win their league should be allowed a cracking at the group stages. That beings said TNS of England/Wales are in Italy tonight...
16 groups of 4 perhaps.
sir baconface
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Too complicated. Too many fixtures.
BringBackSwales
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Sorry yes 17
ali benarbia's studs
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Well they did get absolutely twatted, so they deserve to have dropped like that.
They are 20th out of 36… it’s the same as being 11th in the PL. If you won your first PL game and then got thrashed, you’d expect to be midtable after two games would you not?
I didn't t say I didn't understand it.... it s fucking obvious.... I was merely laughing at giddy celtic and shooting down the new format.Is that not exactly like the Premier League? Win 5-1 on week one and you’re right up there. Lose the next game 7-1 and you drop to mid-table. A league format isn’t difficult to understand.
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given we play Sparta Prague, Feyernood + Club Brugge all at home, which pretty much everyone expects to be 3 wins, surely 1 win and a draw away to PSG, Juve + Sporting isn't too out of reach?If 17 pts are required to make the top 8, then we have to win 4 and draw 1 from the remaining 6 games. Given that we play away from home all of PSG, Juve and Sporting, the task may not be trivial. Reckon 1-2 from the favourites might fail to qualify directly.
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Feels semi-pointless for teams like Bratislava if there's no Europa to fight for.Too complicated. Too many fixtures.
Just adding games to players that are already tired. Doesn't help with the league cup too, that other leagues don't have. As well as the stupid nations league. They're already knackered enough.
JGL07
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Better quality games? You have to be joking.If only the champions league was for the actual champions of each league no second,third or fourth place teams they could go in the conference champions league or something, the players would be happier, presumably fewer better quality games.
If the Champions League was restricted to the League Chamions that would leave us with City, Internationale, Bayer, PSG, Sporting Club, Real Madrid, PSV, Club Brugge, Midtjylland, Sparta Prague, Slovan Bratislava, and Jagiellonia Bialystok. That is before we get around to to the likes of Lincoln Red Imps, UE Santa Columba, TNS, Larne, Shamrock Rovers, etc. etc.
So no Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, RB Leipzig, Juventus, Atalanta, Milan, Atletico, Barcelona, Porto, Benfica, Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa, Monaco. etc.
It is not going to happen. Harking back to the crap situations of the late 1970s to the 1980s, Forest won the European Cup in 1979 by beating Liverpool (holders), AEK, Grasshoppers, Koln, and Malmo. Forest retained the title in 1980 by beating Oster, Arges Pitesti, BFC Dynamo, Ajax, and Hamburg.
It would be a tough sell to sponsors and I suspect to many supporters. It is not going to happen.
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Better quality games? You got 6 decent teams and everyone else was useless. I think you might be misremembering it in terms of quality.If only the champions league was for the actual champions of each league no second,third or fourth place teams they could go in the conference champions league or something, the players would be happier, presumably fewer better quality games.
Spread the butter too thinly and you lose the taste of the bread !
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the new format is pretty unwieldy, but i don't get some of the rosey memories for the previous format?
Previously, as a Pot 1 team, you generally got one decent-ish team home and away (Pot 2 - or not so decent if you were 'lucky') and 4 fixtures against a couple of teams you should probably get min 7 points from.
In the new format you have exactly the same amount of qualifiers (32), so theoretically exactly the same talent pool are qualifying, but at least you get a Pot 1 game and a mixture of teams for the rest of the games. Look at it this way, we dont play Bratislava twice! we would have last year (or someone would have).
the extra fixtures are the stand-out issue for me, but in terms of quality, i'd say overall it's gone up a bit per game, hasn't it?
Previously, as a Pot 1 team, you generally got one decent-ish team home and away (Pot 2 - or not so decent if you were 'lucky') and 4 fixtures against a couple of teams you should probably get min 7 points from.
In the new format you have exactly the same amount of qualifiers (32), so theoretically exactly the same talent pool are qualifying, but at least you get a Pot 1 game and a mixture of teams for the rest of the games. Look at it this way, we dont play Bratislava twice! we would have last year (or someone would have).
the extra fixtures are the stand-out issue for me, but in terms of quality, i'd say overall it's gone up a bit per game, hasn't it?
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I wonder when the first player will break cover and take UEFA or FIFA to court for tacking on games to the calendar?
JGL07
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Remember the previous format that had English champions, City from Pot 2, in a group with Real Madrid (Spanish champions) from Pot 1, Ajax (Nederlands champions) from Pot 3, and Borussia Dortmund (German champions) from Pot 4.the new format is pretty unwieldy, but i don't get some of the rosey memories for the previous format?
Previously, as a Pot 1 team, you generally got one decent-ish team home and away (Pot 2 - or not so decent if you were 'lucky') and 4 fixtures against a couple of teams you should probably get min 7 points from.
In the new format you have exactly the same amount of qualifiers (32), so theoretically exactly the same talent pool are qualifying, but at least you get a Pot 1 game and a mixture of teams for the rest of the games. Look at it this way, we dont play Bratislava twice! we would have last year (or someone would have).
the extra fixtures are the stand-out issue for me, but in terms of quality, i'd say overall it's gone up a bit per game, hasn't it?
This was improved by the revised format that put the champions from the top countries automatically into Pot 1. But it remained imperfect.
The current system would have been an improvement but for adding two additional matches and spreading the group stages into January.
I think the empty seats at virtually every stadium tells it's own story. The reward for the top teams seems to be that, if you finish in the top 8, you play two games less which is useful but hardly heart breaking drama. The bottom sides will mostly be the poorest so at least they will get a bit more cash for basically taking part. The problem seems to be that the moneyed sides cannot afford to get knocked out in the first round (by playing each other).
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Starting to get interesting now.
Villa given themselves a great chance of finishing top 8. PSG’s top 8 hopes are looking slim.
A loss for Bayern/Barca tomorrow would be a nightmare too.
I think there’s quite a bit of pressure on us to get the job done tomorrow. Can’t lose pace on the top eight - especially given that this is probably our easiest remaining game.
Villa given themselves a great chance of finishing top 8. PSG’s top 8 hopes are looking slim.
A loss for Bayern/Barca tomorrow would be a nightmare too.
I think there’s quite a bit of pressure on us to get the job done tomorrow. Can’t lose pace on the top eight - especially given that this is probably our easiest remaining game.
Starting to get interesting now.
Villa given themselves a great chance of finishing top 8. PSG’s top 8 hopes are looking slim.
A loss for Bayern/Barca tomorrow would be a nightmare too.
I think there’s quite a bit of pressure on us to get the job done tomorrow. Can’t lose pace on the top eight - especially given that this is probably our easiest remaining game.
I’m really struggling to get into it.