President Trump

moomba said:
A bloke that knows he can say what he likes, and there isn't a person within his campaign or supporter base that won't nod their head and blindly agree with him.

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It’s the stage where I can happily say only cunts support him at this time. They’re either thick, racist, a combination of the two and very rarely there’s the Trump voter who knows he’s a **** but think they can get a tax break out of him although that last category doesn’t apply to anyone on Bluemoon.
 
threespires said:
The UK is an outlier though in a number of areas compared to many of its developed western peers. Our politicians and population might not look as mental as yours but between us we've f****d up our country big style. Social equality gaps have widened at a rate that simply hasn't happened with most of our peer countries.

Studies show satisfaction with your lot isn't a function of how much you've got but how much control you believe you have in improving your lot. In the UK that level of belief that with hard work you'll have a fair crack of the whip to make something of yourself has fallen off a cliff with younger folk. Their belief in this is now significantly lower than pretty much every other developed nation. They didn't wake up one morning and lick these attitudes off a stone, their elders created the problems by doing things like completely f*****g up our housing market.

A lot of older people in this country who say I'm glad I'm not a youngster aren't shouting at clouds about the good old days, they're either explicitly or tacitly acknowledgeling that through shit decisions we've made in relation to our politicians we've made it harder for their kids than they ever had it.
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Yep. I may be limited to a small bubble, but when 4 JASR juniors , from a level of privilege that say 75+% of the uk population haven’t got a cat in hells chance of reaching, come out with an overall ‘yeah the futures a bit fucked’ - they aren’t lashing out as anti-parent emo’s. They are plainly stating facts that my generation of leaders, and more particularly the previous generation, have made many godawful short term decisions that many decades later are arriving at their adult door, and the pot to fix any of it, is empty of ability, money, foresight or acknowledgement.
 
moomba said:
I fear I know the answer to this, but is there any context here that makes this any less offensive than it appears.

Any other election, any other candidate and there would be talk of him having to step aside.
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If there is then I’ve not seen it.
 
But some seem to think he and Vance aren’t really a threat to what is left of democracy (both in America and elsewhere) and forceful denouncing and opposing them is just “silly American politics”.


Donald Trump is ramping up his rhetoric depicting his political rivals and critics as criminals, while dropping a long trail of suggestions that he favors outlawing political speech that he deems misleading or challenges his claims to power.

In a speech Friday in Aurora, Colorado, the Republican presidential nominee blasted the immigration system and lobbed a rhetorical grenade at his Democratic rival, Vice President Kamala Harris.

“She’s a criminal. She’s a criminal,” said Trump, who was convicted of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in his New York hush money trial. “She really is, if you think about it.”

It’s a pattern of messaging that has long been part of Trump’s stump speeches but has escalated significantly in his 2024 candidacy. In the final stretch to the Nov. 5 election, the former president has developed a tendency to claim that speech he disapproves of is illegal, even if it is protected by the First Amendment.

A questionable cut of a “60 Minutes” Harris interview? “Totally illegal,” Trump wrote on X, saying it makes Harris look better and that CBS should have its broadcast license revoked.

Donald Trump in front of an American flag backdrop
Donald Trump is increasingly calling speech he doesn’t like “illegal.”

The Harris campaign editing headlines in paid Google ads? “Totally Illegal,” he wrote, vowing that Google “will pay a big price” for it.

www.nbcnews.com

'Totally illegal': Trump escalates rhetoric on outlawing political dissent and criticism

“This is out of the autocratic playbook. As autocrats consolidate their power once they’re in office, anything that threatens their power ... becomes illegal,” historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat said.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
JASR said:
Yep. I may be limited to a small bubble, but when 4 JASR juniors , from a level of privilege that say 75+% of the uk population haven’t got a cat in hells chance of reaching, come out with an overall ‘yeah the futures a bit fucked’ - they aren’t lashing out as anti-parent emo’s. They are plainly stating facts that my generation of leaders, and more particularly the previous generation, have made many godawful short term decisions that many decades later are arriving at their adult door, and the pot to fix any of it, is empty of ability, money, foresight or acknowledgement.
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There would be a train of thought, that admittedly I haven’t over thought here, so if I haven’t completely thought through my argument, feel free to pick it apart….,
Anyway it goes along the lines that it goes back much further than this and the last generation of parents.
It goes back to your days of Empire when you systematically f**ked up any ex-colonial state you were leaving.
There’s several current examples to choose from for demonstration.

The difference now is that with the shrinking or nonexistent empire, you are left with just yourselves to f**k up.

Maybe it’s concentrated the collective Working class British mind on your own ruling system.

Just a thought.
 
SebastianBlue said:
But some seem to think he and Vance aren’t really a threat to what is left of democracy (both in America and elsewhere) and forceful denouncing and opposing them is just “silly American politics”.


Donald Trump is ramping up his rhetoric depicting his political rivals and critics as criminals, while dropping a long trail of suggestions that he favors outlawing political speech that he deems misleading or challenges his claims to power.

In a speech Friday in Aurora, Colorado, the Republican presidential nominee blasted the immigration system and lobbed a rhetorical grenade at his Democratic rival, Vice President Kamala Harris.

“She’s a criminal. She’s a criminal,” said Trump, who was convicted of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in his New York hush money trial. “She really is, if you think about it.”

It’s a pattern of messaging that has long been part of Trump’s stump speeches but has escalated significantly in his 2024 candidacy. In the final stretch to the Nov. 5 election, the former president has developed a tendency to claim that speech he disapproves of is illegal, even if it is protected by the First Amendment.

A questionable cut of a “60 Minutes” Harris interview? “Totally illegal,” Trump wrote on X, saying it makes Harris look better and that CBS should have its broadcast license revoked.

Donald Trump in front of an American flag backdrop
Donald Trump is increasingly calling speech he doesn’t like “illegal.”

The Harris campaign editing headlines in paid Google ads? “Totally Illegal,” he wrote, vowing that Google “will pay a big price” for it.

www.nbcnews.com

'Totally illegal': Trump escalates rhetoric on outlawing political dissent and criticism

“This is out of the autocratic playbook. As autocrats consolidate their power once they’re in office, anything that threatens their power ... becomes illegal,” historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat said.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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He's fast becoming a parody of himself. "I don't like what you say, so I'm calling it illegal". He should have a glass of bleach, calm him down a bit.
 
jimharri said:
He's fast becoming a parody of himself. "I don't like what you say, so I'm calling it illegal". He should have a glass of bleach, calm him down a bit.
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If that is his thinking, if he were to make President, would he enact laws to make it an offence and lock people up? Would there be gulags where those who ‘lie’ about him suddenly die?
 
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