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It's very conceivable - and has actually happened. Why? Because each side in an election will inevitably seek maximum perceived legal (or at times illegal) advantage subject to legal/ethical/moral/integrity constraints. Musk and Trump are unconstrained, except, perhaps, for the obviously illegal.

That you think what's happened is inconceivable, indicates that you fundamentally misunderstand Musk/Trump. In fact, it's quite the opposite - it's all too believable that Musk is engaging in borderline election interference - the only unbelievable aspect of this is that Musk didn't start sooner.
What I find inconceivable is that your laws would openly allow such a thing. All laws have loopholes but to be able to let everybody know that you want to buy their votes, that’s where my issue would be.

Trump and his backers have gone there, I have no illusions that they would go there and push the boat, but is there anything that can be done to stop such a thing?
 
What I find inconceivable is that your laws would openly allow such a thing. All laws have loopholes but to be able to let everybody know that you want to buy their votes, that’s where my issue would be.

Trump and his backers have gone there, I have no illusions that they would go there and push the boat, but is there anything that can be done to stop such a thing?
No system of law is perfect. Similar loopholes surely exist in British Law.

>> is there anything that can be done to stop such a thing?
If what Musk is doing is legal, then new laws need to be passed to outlaw such activities. If what Musk is doing is illegal, suits against Musk to stop his actions might prevail.
 
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No system of law is perfect. Similar loopholes surely exist in British Law.

>> is there anything that can be done to stop such a thing?
If what Musk is doing is legal, then new laws need to be passed to outlaw such activities. If what Musk is doing is illegal, suits against Musk to stop his actions might prevail.
In British elections at every level candidates have a maximum allowable spend. They must submit their accounts to a speclfied body. Any American would be astonished at how small those allowances are.
In UK general elections the party allowance is £54,000 per seat contested, about 70,000 USD.
 
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What does Musk want?
To be able to develop his products without risk of litigation if they start killing people.

In other words he wants to get regulations revoked that protect us all so he can make himself even richer.

It’s a lot cheaper to develop products that don’t have to meet stringent safety standards. What it appears he hasn’t considered is that people won’t buy his shite if it’s demonstrably unsafe even if it’s cheap.
 
Hope you guys in Jolly Old got to see the CNN Town Hall by Kamala Harris and watched her hit it out of the park.

She is being held to a completely different standard than the Orange Shit Gibbon, who is the detritus at the bottom of the barrel AFTER it has been scraped!

It is an absolute no-brainer, but feels like (at this point) ANYONE supporting Trump has no brain!
 
Exactly!

We have reached the point where the Trump reality feels like parody, and parody feels like it doesn’t go far enough to create the distance between reality and parody for it to create any effect.

The slow roll to fascism is real, and it is always done willingly. The frog is warming nicely…
 
In British elections at every level candidates have a maximum allowable spend. They must submit their accounts to a speclfied body. Any American would be astonished at how small those allowances are.
In UK general elections the party allowance is £54,000 per seat contested, about 70,000 USD.
I think US politics desperately needs something similar to reduce the dependency on, and power of lobbyists.
 
I think US politics desperately needs something similar to reduce the dependency on, and power of lobbyists.
Yep. Nothing will change in America as long as they continue to basically allow corporations to bribe politicians and in many cases, basically write the laws for them. Literally every social problem in America seems to be ‘most Americans want X, but this privatised industry funds the politicians and makes sure it doesn’t happen.’ From healthcare, to prisons, to even minor things like having to file a tax return every year. Do you think there’s any normal person on either side of the political spectrum that wouldn’t fuck off filing your own tax returns every year? Yet it still happens because there are big companies profiting off the requirement.
 

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