New CL Format Thoughts

Reality is, when you’re as good as City are at the minute, any group format you can think of is going to be a boring, no jeopardy, stroll to the knock out stages.

If this was the Mancini days, when getting out of the group was considered a major achievement, we would have been in a better position to judge if it’s an improvement or not.

But hard to say when both formats are almost certainly going to produce the same predictable outcome.
Some of our early groups were pretty tough. One year Real Madrid, Dortmund, City and Ajax were all in the same group. All of which were Champions of their respective league.

I think even Mancini's City team would have made top 24 in this new format.
 
With us being top of UEFA's coefficients we're not getting any benefit from the success we've had under the previous format. However Villa who are way down the rankings have benefited a lot. They probably have a set of easier fixtures than we do.

When we first won the League we didn't get in Pot 1 for the following season's CL, that was changed to Pot 1 teams being the CL winners and the league winners from the highest ranked European Leagues.

Now we've got the highest ranking it's been changed again. I think teams shouldn't play others from the same pot, there has to be some reward for winning a domestic league.

I've posted similar before Villa first time in champs league and it's all changed they got a very good draw now look like finishing top 8 they been very lucky it has changed!

You never know though they might of done well in the old format the way they are playing under Emery
 
The lack of jeopardy is becoming more apparent. Bayern Munich have lost 2 out of 3 games and are still in the top 24. Had they lost 2 out of 3 in the old four team group stage they would be in danger of not qualifying for the knockout stages.
Such a non-sense comment. Bayern haven't lost a group stage match in like 10 years, until this year. Why? Because now, everyone has to play really competitive matches.

If you are fan of football, and not only of one club, this is a FAR BETTER group stages. These last two days, we had Leipzig- Liverpool, Bayern-Barca, Madrid - Dortmund, Juve - Stuttgart, Atletico- Lille... all matches that were highly entertaining and really competitive.

There are several objective truths:

1. We have never had as many entertaining matches before between elite teams.
2. We have never had teams like City, Madrid, Bayern, Liverpool... having to fight and to put their best teams in the last 2 matches of the group stages.
3. Teams cannot speculate because the system is too chaotic. A team cannot go for a draw like before because of the league format.

Since Pep was here, I only remember 4 interesting group stage matches: Dortmund home (away we were both qualified), Leipzig away, PSG away and at home. Just this year, we already had a great match against Inter, and we still have Sporting, Juve and PSG away.
 
Not a single top seed team will fail to get to the last 16. Not a single decent team from pot 2 will fail to get through. More games. Same boring shit. League is a farce and just isn't a point of comparison. Not sure if it happens but after 4 games every team should have played a team from pots 1, 2, 3 and 4. At least we'd have something to go off then.
 
Not a single top seed team will fail to get to the last 16. Not a single decent team from pot 2 will fail to get through. More games. Same boring shit. League is a farce and just isn't a point of comparison. Not sure if it happens but after 4 games every team should have played a team from pots 1, 2, 3 and 4. At least we'd have something to go off then.
A bet at least one top team won’t make it. Bayern for one are in big trouble, PSG too.Nowhere near as boring as the old groups.
 
Two extra games were added for more revenue for each team but if you fail to get into the top eight then you have to play another two extra games to qualify - so failure earns more money.
 
Give it a few years and then somebody will suggest promotion and relegation from the CL to the EL
Give it a few more years and they'll call it the European Super League

Remember when they fucked up putting another group stage after the initial group stage? They’ve done it again with this, when they see the dwindling tv numbers they will have to change again.
 
I'm not minding it too much at the moment but will wait until the league phase is over completely before I make my mind up. It will be interesting to see what points the team finishing 8th get in order to make it to the next stage.
 
Two extra games were added for more revenue for each team but if you fail to get into the top eight then you have to play another two extra games to qualify - so failure earns more money.

Probably a few teams thinking if we finish outside the top 8 we get extra match revenue.
 
The league table is too big and with not every team playing every other team in it, makes the table feel like it means nothing.

Before there was just one other fixture you needed to take notice of a week, from your own group. Now you don’t know what’s a good result and what’s not from any fixture on any night.

Its just a load of random games whose results don’t make any sense to anyone or have much meaning because there’s too much leeway to allow the teams well down the table to end up in the KO Phase due to 24 of the 36 teams not being immediately eliminated.

You could be shite for the most part of 8 games, could even rest players or play at 50% effort and just do enough to get enough points to just finish in the 24… then turn up all guns blazing for the eliminator round, earn extra money from a few more games like others have alluded to, and set out on a good campaign after a loads of months where you’ve treated it like pre-season and go from there.

Brest are currently 5th after a good start, but they might come unstuck a few times and end up say 9th. Conversely, Leipzig are currently 31st, but a few wins against the dross they’ll be facing and they could make the 24. Leipzig could get drawn against Brest and turn up for the eliminator round and scrape through after a really poor League Phase showing, whereas Brest who could have loads more points than Leipzig, go out.
 
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Don't be giving Soriano ideas!
I know, I just know one chief exec has thought about it though.

I actually thought about something worse last night! Make the group stage hated so much that they can move 2 group games (home and away) to a different continent.
 
The league table is too big and with not every team playing every other team in it, makes the table feel like it means nothing.

Before there was just one other fixture you needed to take notice of a week, from your own group. Now you don’t know what’s a good result and what’s not from any fixture on any night.

Its just a load of random games that don’t make any sense or have much meaning because there’s too much leeway to allow the teams well down the table to end up in the KO Phase due to 24 of the 36 teams not being immediately eliminated.

You could be shite for the most part of 8 games, could even rest players or play at 50% effort and just do enough to get enough points to just finish in the 24… then turn up all guns blazing for the eliminator round and go from there.

Bret are currently 5th after a good start, but they might come unstuck a few times and end up say 9th. Conversely, Leipzig are currently 31st, but a few wins against the dross they’ll be facing and they could make the 24. They could get drawn against Brest and turn up for the eliminator round and scrape through after a really poor League Phase showing.

Good points that I agree with. There are just no narratives, the other group games are meaningless.

I think the best compromise for me would have been 4 Groups of 9 (would result in 1 extra gameweek). Top 2 straight through, next 3 make the playoffs with 4 best 7th place teams.

At least you could watch the other games with interest.

This format is just nonsense until gameweek 8.
 

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