President Trump

[west didsblue]

I just had a massive row with my ex who told me she thinks the orange **** is great! We get on but things won’t be the same again. It’s easy to see how Nazi Germany started. From what she told me she is getting a lot of stupid shit off social media.

Unless you’ve got a child together why fucking bother with her. You’ll be well rid if she’s got MAGA tendencies.

 

[blue for life]

Unless you’ve got a child together why fucking bother with her. You’ll be well rid if she’s got MAGA tendencies.

We have a child so trying to keep it civil for him

 

[blue for life]

We have a child so trying to keep it civil for him

Otherwise I wouldn’t bother of course

 

[Axel Freed]

1.54 on the exchange, only 12 points higher than the night of the attempted assassination

They know :-)

 

[Vic]

The assassination of Rabin worked to worsen the situation for most people as even more extremist ideology strengthened within Israel and Palestine, which was among my points.

Assassination has very seldom lead to less extremism and better conditions for most people involved, especially not in modern times.

Not just in modern times. I did an academic study of moral attitudes (from medieval times) to tyrannicide. The favourite story was of an old woman who always cried "Heaven preserve your majesty!" whenever the king (the third in a dynasty) rode past. One day the king stopped the carriage, and spoke to her. "I'm a tyrant. Why do you want my life preserved?" "I knew your grandfather, our first tyrant. He was bad. Someone killed him. Your father was worse, and now you're appalling. If you died, the next one might be even worse."

 

[west didsblue]

We have a child so trying to keep it civil for him

Fair enough

 

[blue for life]

1.54 on the exchange, only 12 points higher than the night of the attempted assassination

They know :-)

Can you explain that please? Know nothing about betting!

 

[BlueHammer85]

Can we add more to the list of shit what Trump has done -

- Put in place a ban on Muslims
- denying democratic election result and instigating capital riots
- Played down the spread of Covid
- falsifying business records
- His constant rhetoric and demonization of Migrants
- pulled out the Paris climate treaty

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Can we add more to the list of shit what Trump has done -

- Put in place a ban on Muslims
- denying democratic election result and instigating capital riots
- Played down the spread of Covid
- falsifying business records
- His constant rhetoric and demonization of Migrants
- pulled out the Paris climate treaty

Colluded with Russia
Took the notes of his interpreter when he had a private meeting with Putin, against the advice of the Secret Service
Called US POW's 'suckers and losers'
Gave a thumbs-up smiley pose at a soldiers grave at Arlington Nation Cemetery
Stole classified documents and stored them in an insecure location at his golf resort (probably shared them with foreign agents)

The list is endless, and most of it gets lost in the noise.

 

[TinFoilHat]

 

[TinFoilHat]

 

[Scottyboi]

Can we add more to the list of shit what Trump has done -

- Put in place a ban on Muslims
- denying democratic election result and instigating capital riots
- Played down the spread of Covid
- falsifying business records
- His constant rhetoric and demonization of Migrants
- pulled out the Paris climate treaty

Assassinated an Iranian general, destroyed all the work Obama did with Iran. Which you can now see the consequences of.

 

[Axel Freed]

Can you explain that please? Know nothing about betting!

Based on those prices, the implied percentage chance of a Trump win now is 65%, it was 70% in the aftermath of the shooting. As recently as 2 weeks ago it was 45%.

Of course the markets aren’t always right, famously in 2016 Hilary’s % chance of winning was 91% when the polls closed on election night. The market hadn’t taken into account the shy Trump voter who wouldn’t necessarily share his intention to vote for Donald with the pollsters.

That factor is very much baked into the current market price

 

[SWP's back]

This is a £120 Million market on just One of the exchanges.

Polymarket first moved when four accounts, who were later discovered to be the same Trump donor, placed $45m on him over 24 hours.

 

[DutchSMOKE11]

Can we add more to the list of shit what Trump has done -

- Put in place a ban on Muslims
- denying democratic election result and instigating capital riots
- Played down the spread of Covid
- falsifying business records
- His constant rhetoric and demonization of Migrants
- pulled out the Paris climate treaty

Epstein Epstein Epstein ... why is his name on that flight log?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Colluded with Russia
Took the notes of his interpreter when he had a private meeting with Putin, against the advice of the Secret Service
Called US POW's 'suckers and losers'
Gave a thumbs-up smiley pose at a soldiers grave at Arlington Nation Cemetery
Stole classified documents and stored them in an insecure location at his golf resort (probably shared them with foreign agents)

The list is endless, and most of it gets lost in the noise.

And let's not forget about the pussy grabb...

Er, I mean, locker room talk.

 

[The blue phantom]

And let's not forget about the pussy grabb...

Er, I mean, locker room talk.

And he's now Odds on to get 20 Million votes more than any other Republican president. There's even talk of him hitting 90 Million on some of those rabid right wing shows. Granted they are full of shit, But they are convinced.

How is it even fuckin possible that this amount of Americans can't see through him.

 

[SWP's back]

Yet still trump seems to be cutting through as a 'straight talker' while Harris seems to have an issue with public trust?
Not my opinion, just how it seems to be. I don't think Harris was helped by biden hanging on so long and giving her such a short run up to the election

Trump says things that easily digested by idiots:

“We’ll halve this”
“We’ll double that”
“It will be the greatest that anyone’s ever seen”

He has no plan. He has no policies. The standards Harris is held to is not the same standard Trump is held to. But there are more sane people than insane in the US and that’s why Harris will be by 4-6 points and have 300+ EC seats.

 

[KS55]

Trump was completely unprepared for winning the election—there are entire books about how much of a scramble it was just to get the bare minimum personal in place when he was inaugurated. He ran a very lean staff for his entire term relative to previous administrations, with record levels of turnover and, by all accounts, infighting. And he still had large amounts of opposition to much of his policy aspirations and desired actions, even within his own party and administration. Over the course of those four years, he was not able to do a lot of what he wanted largely due to the internal opposition within the Republican Party, the federal government system, and, later, a Democratically lead House.

Even so, he still was able to lay the ground work for the dissolution of democratic institutions. He has created a far-right controlled Supreme Court which is stripping away women’s rights, rendering federal agencies tasked with regulating the environment, economy, and social welfare toothless, has essentially anointed anyone holding the office of President as the American King through a ludicrously ambiguous decision on Presidential Immunity, have essentially made the criminalisation of homeless people the law of the land, continues to gut voting rights, and will likely go after LGBTQ+ rights after the election. He undermined (in some cases eviscerated) several federal agencies and sold the regulation carried out by others to the highest bidder. He helped to create the immigration crisis the US faces right now, along with the insane, counterproductive policies of Republicans, even going so far as to recently kill a bipartisan bill that Republicans and Democrats negotiated for months and had the votes to pass so that immigration could continue to be an issue he could campaign on (that was while he wasn’t even president). He undermined US leadership of NATO and support of Ukraine, which partially emboldened Putin to mount a full invasion (and since sabre-rattle about doing so in other former Soviet-controlled regions) and encouraged Xi to become more aggressive with China’s efforts to take Hong Kong, Taiwan, and expand their claims to the South China Sea and surrounds. He mismanaged the pandemic leading to thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of excess deaths; there are still debates as to whether it was—at least initially—an intentional mismanagement. He further undermined public faith in the integrity of the office of the Presidency, even extending to Congress (not that the public had much faith in that body to begin with), and introduced unprecedented levels of corruption, all the while advocating, agitating, acting to be more of a dictator. He was able to almost destroy the Department of Education (which has long been a goal of the far-right and ultra-conservative Republicans); it has famously taken a massive effort to try to reconstitute it under Biden. He empowered Christian and White nationalists at both the federal and state level through both rhetoric, funding, and political appointments. He and his cronies embedded dysfunction, corruption, and distrust in to the election system, which itself is perhaps one of the most damaging, dangerous, and long lasting accomplishments. He worked to undermine public confidence in the free press, in direct rhetoric calling the media the “enemy of the people”, policy (the FCC was an absolute shambles under him and the SC continues to chip away at press freedoms), and by constantly and egregiously spreading dis- and misinformation in an official capacity. His aim was the same as Putin’s: not to simply undermine the truth, but to destroy the very concept that “truth” existed.

And, arguably the most sinister of his first term efforts, he managed to begin the process of purging the ranks of people that he deemed adversarial and/or disloyal to him—many of his previously most “trusted” associates were a part of that purge. Not disloyal to the nation or the constitution: disloyal to him and his MAGA apparatus. He has continued and accelerated that to the point that now he essentially has complete control over the Republican Party, right down to the RNC and officially related entities. He has put his family members in top level leadership roles and has completely focused all campaign efforts on his presidential bid, literally leaving senate, house, state, county, and local campaign coordination to volunteer groups. His campaign is not even allowing non-Trump related political signs or other campaign materials at his various regional campaign headquarters. The Republican party was divided and in civil war in his first term; MAGA was still only a part of the right- and far-right-wing environment when he took office. Now the Republican Party, for all intents and purposes, is the MAGA party. It is unified and behind Trump, with many ultra conservative (or straight up far-right) entities spending literally millions (perhaps billions when all is said and done) to make sure they have a comprehensive plan and carefully selected “loyal” people to fill every role if he wins this time. They plan to further purge the federal civil service’s ranks to ensure no opposition to his every whim (or the whims of those enriching him, whether foreign or domestic) exists in his second term. And that is just one of a bevy of actions and policies his camp plans to enact as soon as he takes the oath.

The only thing that might have a chance of slowing him down would be an opposition or split Congress. But if he gets both the House and Senate, he would control all branches of government.

And I want to be clear: when I say “Trump” or “he”, I mean him and the vast network of far-right, ultra-conservative, Christian/White nationalist (I group them together because there is A LOT of overlap), corporate, and foreign actors behind him. He is not a lone figure, bending America to his will, by any means. But he is very much a reflection and embodiment of all the bad actors that want to see him back in power.

He will continue to use the “slow ramp” tactics of incrementally increasing the darkness and intensity of his speech and proposed actions/policies until, like Hitler, his supporters don’t even flinch when he announces he will round up all “illegal immigrants” and put them in camps for mass deportation. Or begin a programme of mass arrests of dissenters and political opposition. Or pass laws returning women’s rights back to the 1700s. Or institute policies (and agitate for Supreme Court decisions) to abolish the first amendment, installing Evangelical Christianity as the official religion of the US and allowing him to have unchecked powers over the media.



See above. He managed to lay the ground work in his first, largely disjointed term. His second term will be very different. His Supreme Court’s truly catastrophic Presidential Immunity ruling will empower him to far more, far more quickly. And his term will likely not end at the constitutionally-mandated 4 years (8 years in total). Do you really think he will just leave at the end?

I would clarify, as well, that my comparison is of Trump now to Hitler prior to his rise to absolute power, which occurred in the mid-1930s. Trump obviously has not become a “fuhrer” type figure yet. But “yet” is the operative word. People tend to focus on Hitler at the height of his power, and later his demise, without really studying exactly how he got there.

And if you do, you’ll see many similarities in the track and trajectory between Trump and Hitler. And in the rhetoric, behaviour, and outcomes.

It’s also important to point out that Hitler’s (and the Nazi party’s) popular vote share in the last free and fair elections in 1932 were 37% in July and 33% in November, so he barely had a third of the voting population’s support. And even in the election in 1933, after his Nazi forces raged a campaign of intimidation and terror (even acting as poll “monitors”), and shortly after they burned down the Reichstag, he only got 44% of the popular vote. He didn’t need 100% support, he just needed enough to gain power and access to the institutions and resources of government. Then he could work to demolish those institutions and replace them with ones that served his aims without question or hesitance.

And guess what anachronistic system is employed for presidential elections in America that can enable someone to win the office without winning the popular vote (something Trump exploited in the 2016 election, where he got just 46% of the popular vote to Clinton’s 48%)?

As I have said in previous posts, the time to highlight a dangerous bad actor’s similarities to Hitler (and his rise) is not after he has assumed absolute power. The time, when there are legitimate parallels, is well before that.

I forgot to say what a great post this is. A real effort to cover all the ground.
All those who do not understand what is at stake (and there are a few here) should read this carefully.

 

[threespires]

You sometimes hear people of faith in the UK lament how almost aggressively secular the country has become in a relatively short space of time. I've done it myself after being (only verbally) abused for being a church goer. However if you look westward, first to Ireland in it's recent past but more specifically now to the US, it's not hard to understand "this is why we can't have nice things". Much better to live in a secular society than end up with the current lunacy of the US 'Christian' right's trajectory.

I get why the evil grifters at the top of some churches are on board and the outright racists doing cosplay Christianity too, but the rest of the rank and file seem to have failed to notice that lending your support to facists typically ends in tears. They will eventually come for you too because the only type of fealty that is acceptable to an authoritarian is to them. Making a deal with the devil rarely ends well.