US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

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ChicagoBlue said:
So, her position is now “void”?! It’s nonsense! Step down and then what? Who becomes Prez & VP? We just let them start before Jan 20??

It’s not like going to your desk with an empty box and being walked out by security, ffs!
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Just trying to help you understand the point. Not passing judgement on it. Although it did sound a bit like bollocks to me.

I always try to be helpful.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I think the democrats kind of took for granted women and ethnic minority voters. It was almost as if they thought surely because we have a black woman they’ll vote for harris.

Seems like women and ethnic minority males didn’t turn out at all for them. I was reading a stat that said a third of ethnic minority voters voted for trump
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Not only that, having the biggest donations and almost every traditional big media supporting them throughout elections. Yet they completely fucking that up.

The blame solely on the Democrats Party, no fucking excuses.
 
Is there provision within the constitution for states to secede from the union?
Can see places like California (plus the west coast states) and New York (plus the rest of New England) thinking fuck this after a year or two because it’s the large Dem states that will be paying for Trump’s shit show, and they might decide they’re better alone.
 
Middedon said:
It also means there aren’t enough doctors trained to do the procedure, which can be a lifesaving measure even when there is not a pregnancy. Even in blue New England, there are plenty of doctors who won’t do the procedure (completely acceptable). I had an abortion for fetal anomalies that were incompatible with a “normal” life and it took several days to find a doctor who would do the procedure (my doctor did not due to her religious beliefs). This was at one of the best hospitals in the world in a very blue state.
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It was too crass to simply hit “LIKE” as I wanted to thank you for sharing a personal story that can apparently not be understood without someone as brave as you giving a very personal testament to what is happening.

Even in places where abortion is still “legal” clinics close down because of threats, lack of funding, lawsuits and the threat of them, the inability to get insurance, etc, etc, etc…

Thank you for sharing your personal traumatic events to help illustrate the reality of the situation. My own daughter had a very close friend who died because of complications that no-one would treat for fear of losing the baby and being prosecuted for murder. She apparently didn’t meet the threshold of “life of the mother” until too late and died trying to give birth. Needless to say, she is beside herself at what men (and millions of religious women) have done to women in the last few years and especially the last 24 hours.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I think the democrats kind of took for granted women and ethnic minority voters. It was almost as if they thought surely because we have a black woman they’ll vote for harris.

Seems like women and ethnic minority males didn’t turn out at all for them. I was reading a stat that said a third of ethnic minority voters voted for trump
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The ethnic minority often live in areas with high crime rates. They care more "law and order".
I can tell you many Chinese immigrates vote Trump for this reason.
 
west didsblue said:
Is there provision within the constitution for states to secede from the union?
Can see places like California (plus the west coast states) and New York (plus the rest of New England) thinking fuck this after a year or two because it’s the large Dem states that will be paying for Trump’s shit show, and they might decide they’re better alone.
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Didn’t trump do pretty decent in New York?
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I think the democrats kind of took for granted women and ethnic minority voters. It was almost as if they thought surely because we have a black woman they’ll vote for harris.

Seems like women and ethnic minority males didn’t turn out at all for them. I was reading a stat that said a third of ethnic minority voters voted for trump
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Along with many Hispanics and Muslims who are generally more conservative thinking due to strong religious beliefs
 
Just so people are aware. One third of US women live under an abortion ban. If a woman has a miscarriage and the healthcare she needs includes the removal of any foetal matter, that is classed as an abortion. If the woman is not treated because doctors fear for their licences she may die of a uterine bleed. Trump wants such women PUNISHED in these circumstances.
My daughter suffered a uterine bleed and lost 3.5 litres of blood. Happily she recovered but some don’t. My daughter in law suffered similarly. The surgeon said “We nearly lost her”.
These bans are cruel and inhuman.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
What do you tell them when the vote is close, but not official?

I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest you’re just not used to American elections and what does and does not happen at these things.

Should she have waited until about 6am, when the NYT called it, and thanked the 8 people still there for staying?

She had a campaign official come out and say there would be no speech tonight…because there was no speech to give, and I expect one to be given today.

However, your extrapolation is both petty and naive, but you do you when you’re Vice President and you’ve just lost a ridiculously consequential election!

Or, maybe she should have come out, tell the world that Trump is only the SECOND OLD WHITE MAN to have fucked the country this election cycle, because Biden fucked us first when he ran again, even after intimating he wouldn’t, and then created a situation where there was only one person who COULD really run, because they were the one with access to all the money!
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Sorry not lots of experience with US elections seeing as I am British citizen. See votes dont mean seats in this country, but I imagine you had an opinion on our election system back in July?

Anyone with a brain cell could see what was happening. Yet some wanted to portray and provide false hope that 100,000s of extra votes were going to come and save key areas which never was going to materialise. It was clear very early which direction this was going.

This is what I meant about Harris blinkers, blaming everyone else, bar the actually problem for underperforming.15 million less votes than Biden currently. Clearly some substantial issues.
 
west didsblue said:
Is there provision within the constitution for states to secede from the union?
Can see places like California (plus the west coast states) and New York (plus the rest of New England) thinking fuck this after a year or two because it’s the large Dem states that will be paying for Trump’s shit show, and they might decide they’re better alone.
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I’ve previously predicted this will happen eventually, and this result will certainly not make that outcome less likely, but it’s at least a generation away imo, and I don’t think there’s provision (like an Article 50), no.
 
KS55 said:
Just so people are aware. One third of US women live under an abortion ban. If a woman has a miscarriage and the healthcare she needs includes the removal of any foetal matter, that is classed as an abortion. If the woman is not treated because doctors fear for their licences she may die of a uterine bleed. Trump wants such women PUNISHED in these circumstances.
My daughter suffered a uterine bleed and lost 3.5 litres of blood. Happily she recovered but some don’t. My daughter in law suffered similarly. The surgeon said “We nearly lost her”.
These bans are cruel and inhuman.
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But they only happen to women. USA, USA, USA!!!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
It was too crass to simply hit “LIKE” as I wanted to thank you for sharing a personal story that can apparently not be understood without someone as brave as you giving a very personal testament to what is happening.

Even in places where abortion is still “legal” clinics close down because of threats, lack of funding, lawsuits and the threat of them, the inability to get insurance, etc, etc, etc…

Thank you for sharing your personal traumatic events to help illustrate the reality of the situation. My own daughter had a very close friend who died because of complications that no-one would treat for fear of losing the baby and being prosecuted for murder. She apparently didn’t meet the threshold of “life of the mother” until too late and died trying to give birth. Needless to say, she is beside herself at what men (and millions of religious women) have done to women in the last few years and especially the last 24 hours.
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It's crazy in a country "like" America. Hard to understand, really. Those of you affected directly or indirectly, and there are presumably a lot of you, have my sympathy fwiw.
 
ashleycaulcott1 said:
Sorry not lots of experience with US elections seeing as I am British citizen. See votes dont mean seats in this country, but I imagine you had an opinion on our election system back in July?

Anyone with a brain cell could see what was happening. Yet some wanted to portray and provide false hope that 100,000s of extra votes were going to come and save key areas which never was going to materialise. It was clear very early which direction this was going.

This is what I meant about Harris blinkers, blaming everyone else, bar the actually problem for underperforming.15 million less votes than Biden currently. Clearly some substantial issues.
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I’m going to politely not reply to that word salad, lest I say things I regret, as the phrase “wrestling pigs” comes to mind, but I will remind you I am a Dual National, born and raised in England, who emigrated to the US for university, got married and stayed here, so I have experience of both types of politics and elections.
 
Alvin-blue-qhd said:
The ethnic minority often live in areas with high crime rates. They care more "law and order".
I can tell you many Chinese immigrates vote Trump for this reason.
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Ah, you speak for American citizens as well as Chinese citizens and the Chinese government.

Quite the omniscient one.
 
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