US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

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There's full video of it if you interested to watch. Like you never think that Democrat leaning video will not doing something like that and you assuming only Republican leaning video doing highly edited video like this?
Yeah, and when I post a ridiculously biased video on the thread, feel free to criticise it.

No wonder you guys lost and America is now being lead by horrible person.
Who's "you guys?" I'm British and I live in Asia. I've got as much at stake here as, I don't know, and Indonesian person posting on a fansite of a British football club.
 
Why did the Democrats lose? I think the West is in decline and this makes it extremely difficult for the incumbent leader to get re-elected.
It's worth mentioning that covid caused a huge increase in inequality and a huge transfer of wealth to the rich in every country, meaning that every country has seen a massive inflation, and a huge increase in public debt, which results in lots of tax money having to go for paying that off rather than providing services.
 
My working hypothesis is that income distribution has a lot to do with it.

From the quoted article:
"The 60% of income earners between the top and bottom quintiles — commonly referred to as America’s middle class — have seen their share of wealth diminish since 1990. Over the past three decades, this group’s share of total wealth fell to 26% from 37%."

Without having studied this issue in any detail whatsoever, my perception is that populism is on the rise globally because the distribution of wealth has become so imbalanced that the majority of voters are rightly upset and demand change. Populist governments won't address the imbalance - but their leaders promise to do so and feed on the unrest that income inequality generates.

I'm a big believer in free-market capitalism and that government should avoid mucking with companies insofar as possible. Income inequality, IMO, should be addressed through a system of taxation, raising the minimum wage, etc.

Should my hypothesis prove correct, then we're in a quandary here in the States. Dems that want to increase taxes and redistribute wealth that way, or even to increase the minimum wage... whatever - are demonized by Republicans and so even if such policy changes might work, the populists won't put them into place.

Though you and I might disagree to some degree about the prescription I think the diagnosis is right. The FT over here has had some really interesting articles on this in the last 12 months that would substantiate your hypothesis, unfortunately all behind a paywall.
 
Did she not know before she voted? Incredible.
saw one yesterday where a 20 year old college student said she voted Trump because "he didn't ban abortion and instead he handed that choice back to state level "
 
Though you and I might disagree to some degree about the prescription I think the diagnosis is right. The FT over here has had some really interesting articles on this in the last 12 months that would substantiate your hypothesis, unfortunately all behind a paywall.
This book was warning about this 15 years ago.

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Not just better on average, but better for the rich too.
 
saw one yesterday where a 20 year old college student said she voted Trump because "he didn't ban abortion and instead he handed that choice back to state level "
Ah yes, because when I'm getting my freedoms taken away by the government, it's really important to know that it's a slightly more local government.
 
saw one yesterday where a 20 year old college student said she voted Trump because "he didn't ban abortion and instead he handed that choice back to state level "
That's a true statement.... Also, granting that I didn't see the video you watch, I have strong sense that you've misunderstood her point.

She didn't vote for Trump because of what he did on abortion. She is almost certainly saying

1) I voted for Trump...
2.) in response to the probably unstated question of how could you vote for someone who banned abortion?

She adds the claim. He didn't. He appointed the Justices who rightly decided Roe was bad law and returned the decision of abortion back to the States.
 
This book was warning about this 15 years ago.

The-spirit-level-bookcover.jpg


Not just better on average, but better for the rich too.

Yep, until we have proper discourse about this we are going nowhere good. There's a book called Disorder: Hard Times in the 21st Century by Helen Thompson which does a good job of going back to the 70s and the choices western leaders made in response to the shifting geopolitics, which set on us on the path we're well down now.

It's interesting that people take a significant degree of inequality as some sort of Darwinian natural order thing when for most of our history as homo sapiens we have prospered by avoiding that.
 
“Democrats lost because they relied on facts. Trump won because he lied about them, and people believed him. IMO.”
Thanks for your faith in democracy,@FogBlueInSanFran. I fear you tell the truth.
What facts did Democrats rely on? I mean over the election period there was more than enough documenting of lies from both sides of the debate.

The only problem here is that only one side can be thrown out of office...
 
It's interesting that people take a significant degree of inequality as some sort of Darwinian natural order thing when for most of our history as homo sapiens we have prospered by avoiding that.
Well yeah, it sort of works for one generation, maybe two, but once you get your first generation of rich kids, it's suddenly no longer based on merit but who your daddy was, what school you went to, and how much was in your trust fund. Once you have a generation of people who can live on the proceeds of money they've invested rather than the work they've done, this idea of inequality incentivising work disappears. Not completely. There'll always be the odd person who breaks through. But the more unequal things get, the more you're having to spend your wages paying off the mortgage of someone significantly richer than you, rather than saving for your own mortgage, the less of an incentive you have to work hard. And this is where you get a whole generation of people saying 'fuck it,' from the anti-work movement to Trump voters.

In the past, we recognised this, and properly redistributed wealth. That went out of fashion in the late 70s though and it's been a one-way road since then.
 
I don't particularly remember the names of the 2 attempted murderers and I o really don't care for them or their potential handlers if they had any.
You didn't answerthe question, and now you say you have avoided finding out but you still felt sure enough to imply by voting for Trump you were voting against "Them".
You specifically stated you voted for him because "they" tried to kill him.
You're either being disgracefully disingenuous or holding an utterly dishonest intellectual position.
Which makes you a dishonest person.
I wouldn't want to be you or anyone within your orbit.
 
You didn't answerthe question, and now you say you have avoided finding out but you still felt sure enough to imply by voting for Trump you were voting against "Them".
You specifically stated you voted for him because "they" tried to kill him.
Was that what I said?

You're either being disgracefully disingenuous or holding an utterly dishonest intellectual position.
Which makes you a dishonest person.
I wouldn't want to be you or anyone within your orbit.
I thank you for your response. Good luck to you.
 
You didn't answerthe question, and now you say you have avoided finding out but you still felt sure enough to imply by voting for Trump you were voting against "Them".
You specifically stated you voted for him because "they" tried to kill him.
You're either being disgracefully disingenuous or holding an utterly dishonest intellectual position.
Which makes you a dishonest person.

I wouldn't want to be you or anyone within your orbit.
Nailed it.

Ignore and move on.
 
+1

It may take a dust-bowl, 1920's era Depression, for Republicans to wake up - and a Roosevelt incarnate to change course, peacefully.

Or, we may actually be headed for decades of woe - comparable perhaps to the dysfunction of Cuba or Argentina.
Don’t worry. Trump is a climate change denier. We’re close to the 2% average increase that was declared the point of no return decades ago.

So it’ll be raining cats and dogs over that depressive dust bowl before you know it. So they’ll have plenty to eat.
 
People can have any opinion they want on Trump I get it. However the guy survived an assassination attempt and still carried on fighting for what he believes in.

Stupidity or not you cant fault that.

Yep it shows the lengths he will go to line his own pockets and avoid prison
 
Biden lost these elections.

It's american culture.

Protestant, ambitious and Anglo-Germanic culture.

It is not the humanist and Catholic Mediterranean culture.

Americans love a winner.

And, as character, Biden is a loser, and Trump is a winner.

Biden lived his entire life in politics. He is a man without presence. You whatch him and hear him and your insides feel nothing. You turn off the TV or fall asleep when he appears on the screen.

Trump represents the "self-made man." Successful businessman. He transmits interest, energy, security...

These types of choices are won by the character. And Biden made Harris lose these elections, because Biden was the one there and caused fatigue and indifference in the American people.
Trump inherited his money and he has been banckrupt six or seven times
 
I see BBC news are reporting an Iranian man is being charged with an assassination plot against trump. Is this a man of Iranian origin living in the US or is the suggestion of a state sponsored plot?
 
What facts did Democrats rely on? I mean over the election period there was more than enough documenting of lies from both sides of the debate.

The only problem here is that only one side can be thrown out of office...
I didn’t say that. System failure. It was Foggy, I think.
 
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