City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

surprisedbygrass said:
None of this is about football, the game we all love . It's about image, money and a cartel ..

I'm wondering now if the 115 decision has gone badly for the PL so this is their second strand way of making sure City is seen as the Bad Guy for years by engaging in legal action .

Then Sky and all the pundits can shake their heads and talk about the good old days when it was all so happy and the redshirts won every year . Life was so much simpler , football was better and City were the class clown and knew their place .

I know it's two separate cases but the aim is to make City look bad, looks damaged , wreck our global brand and hope the owners, manager , players throw in the towel .

It's a trial by media and only going to get worse.

Well . They called us Noisy Neighbours and now we're their worst nightmare .All this stuff , the 115 and this pushback is their equivalent of an ASBO .
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Thats a very god point you make ref the 115 so called charges.
 
cheekybids said:
The fact they changed the ATP wording against the lawyers advice makes me think they may have made their own determination on which rules were broken & got them wrong. I couldn’t believe a lawyer would make that mistake.
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As I understand it, that is what they did. Why bother with legal advice if you are going to ignore it. I suppose the PL's answer is that it's just advice!
 
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bluemanchester said:
Didn't Khaldoon say he would rather spend £50 million on the best lawyers rather than take another hit.
You are correct they were warned and I don't believe their own lawyers didn't warn them of the risks.
This is Little England standing up to the American owned cartel.
Well, with a little help from the Sheikh;-)
Come on City.
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That was to do with UEFA. I think it was because UEFA changed the FFP rules right at the last minute which was the difference between us possibly passing and definitely failing.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Not sure I get this issue with the new shareholder loan rule not being applied retrospectively.

We are only talking about the APT rules here.

The club's position is that the current rules are null and void, and so they shouldn't have been applied to any 2021-2024 transactions at all.

The PL's position is that the new rules solve the unlawfulness, but that they should only be applied going forward, leaving a period 2021-2024 in which the rules unlawfully excluded shareholder loans. And the club's position is that, following the PL's position, the new rules should be applied backwards to 2021-2024 transactions to correct the unlawfulness. But they can't because it's an ex-ante review and so impossible. Which is why they are null and void in the first place.

Is that it?

There is a much bigger problem for the PL in the treatment of shareholder loans for FFP/PSR back to 2013 , of course, but that isn't relevant here, is it, as the judgment, other than by implication, didn't conclude on that?
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I guess in simple terms the clubs position I'd that including those loans back to 2021 makes sense as most are probably still current.
 
johnny crossan said:
I'm thinking that us leaking the letter means we are not confident the PL vote will go our way. A disturbance in the force possibly.
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Given the number of American owned or controlled clubs plus the number of clubs with "soft" loans that may be correct but either way, City look like they're making damned sure. The PL don't seem aware that we've moved onto the front foot now.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Surprising? That's a lawyer talking. It's absolutely mind-boggling.

The tribunal gave the two parties time to "consider what, if any, further relief is appropriate in the light of our conclusions". The tribunal was then, as I understand it, asked to confirm whether the existing rules are null and void or not and, as of now, hasn't made a confirmation. Then the PL just goes ahead unilaterally to make changes. Wholly unprofessional.
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“Surprising” is what lawyers say when they mean “batshit mental”
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I guess in simple terms the clubs position I'd that including those loans back to 2021 makes sense as most are probably still current.
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I think I have it worked out.

The club's position is that the rules were found unlawful, so they have been null and void since 2021. This means any assessments made in that period are also null and void. Which is the club's main interest, of course. Etihad sails through. It also means an entire set of new rules, vetted for unlawfulness (I can't believe I am writing that), should be put in place.

The club's position on the PL's position is that you can't just amend rules to become lawful from 2024, but leave the old unlawfulness in place from 2021-2024. That in itself will also be unlawful. So the PL is exposing itself to a new challenge if it goes ahead.

My guess is they postpone the vote until the tribunal gives its view on whether the current rules are null and void or not.

Edit: I still don't see how PSR comes into it. Yet. At this stage. Currently.
 
Catching up on this thread I do sometimes worry that most of us think the PL are now acting in a manner that seems almost comical and naive to us, but we aren’t privy to all the facts. This morning is one of those times. It will pass though….

Come on City ! Smash the PL and the cartel…. [emoji3037]
 
Mike S said:
Catching up on this thread I do sometimes worry that most of us think the PL are now acting in a manner that seems almost comical and naive to us, but we aren’t privy to all the facts. This morning is one of those times. It will pass though….

Come on City ! Smash the PL and the cartel…. [emoji3037]
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The PL (aka the cartel) have been acting in that manner from day one, starting with the infamous letter on Arsenal-headed notepaper.
 
johnny crossan said:
I'm thinking that us leaking the letter means we are not confident the PL vote will go our way. A disturbance in the force possibly.
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Nobody is ever confident on any sort of vote. Relying on people doing what they say they will do is always a big mistake. Better to make "sure" with as much arm-twisting as you can manage. I wouldn't read too much into it.
 
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