PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Prophet of Doom said:
Somebody has already questioned him on Twitter about it.

He produces a City podcast and is out and about amongst blues at every game, so I can’t believe he would go round spouting made up negative shit about City.

Hope he’s wrong.
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You don’t know him then…

Prophet of Doom said:
He got the big one right with the CAS decision.

No idea what the rest of his ITK track record is ??
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He guessed - it’s a 50/50 call. Literally no one knew the decision at the point he was claiming.
 
HelloCity said:
He guessed - it’s a 50/50 call. Literally no one knew the decision at the point he was claiming.
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That's not fair. The club had the draft report by then for final comments. That Friday he reported that the feelings at the club were positive and Monday he was proved right. That may have been a guess, but it was at least based on some sound evidence and it was certainly appreciated by me, at least.

A simple review of this latest information gives the impression that it can't be based on anything other than misinterpreted second-hand information. That's the difference this time.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Surprisingly conspiratorial from you, young man. I thought I was the one with the conspiracies ......

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I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, it's true. I just see a lot of factors at play here that point in such a direction.

I recall that it was widely reported that Masters was interviewed by Manchester United and Liverpool before taking his current job.

Martin Samuel, among others, has reported that those clubs have been two of the most virulent of the several that have been pressuring the PL over many years to investigate and then take action against City.

Executives from rival clubs certainly aren't shy of giving anonymous briefings to select favoured journalists about the swingeing, extravagant and unprecedented punishments they'd like to see applied in this case. Many of those thus mooted would be catastrophic for City in terms of maintaining a place among the English game's leading clubs.

Having conducted an investigation into City over a period of several years with wide powers to demand documents and information from the club, the PL will definitely have far more evidence at its disposal than did UEFA during its disciplinary case against MCFC,

Masters and the rest of the PL leadership are fighting for their professional lives, as perceived failure in this case would almost certainly see them lose office. They have nothing to lose by fighting this case as hard as they possibly can.

All those factors suggest only one thing to me, which is that these proceedings involve the PL trying to hammer City and the club is fighting if not for survival then at least to avoid consequences that could be disastrous.

The feeling within the game is overwhelmingly hostile to City, though we perhaps have more allies than we once did. IMO the general sentiment is that we must have cheated somehow to have made the progress we've shown under Mansour.

The traditional top clubs hate us for coming along and hoovering trophies that they think should be theirs by rights. They'd love to see a really draconian punishment, obviously.

However, they also seem to have persuaded other clubs that we're cheats, so any such penalty would be deserved while it's also just for us to be regarded as a pariah.

This is despite the fact that the PL has dredged back years to find matters to accuse us of. FFS, the formal accusations came in 2023 and some relate to a circumstances in place in a season that began not in the previous decade but the one before that.

No one seems interested in the fact that the most serious accusation reported relates to a sponsorship contract under which the club has been proven to have supplied the services in question, the services were paid for and UEFA's experts deemed the arrangement to be at a fair value.

IF ADUG funnelled cash into MCFC by disguised equity contributions by paying the sponsorship fees under the above contract, that deprived the club of the right to obtain revenue by seeking a different shirt sponsor as well as other naming rights partners for the stadium and training ground, meaning we were barely up on the deal if at all.

No one will tell you this. No, all you'll read about is how City vastly inflated sponsorship deals to help money flow into the club. UEFA, acting in the utmost bad faith and having decided that the scenario had occurred, regarded it as meriting a two-season ban from their competitions.

The PL, meanwhile, having introduced APT rules that clearly have a potential to affect City adversely, has also shown malice and perfidy at every turn, deliberately delaying its responses to City's application for consent and withholding the rationale for its decision.

Both UEFA and the PL have leaked like the proverbial sieves, channelling information detrimental to MCFC to client journalists who've relished the opportunity to act as opinion leaders with regard to the club.

I could go on as there's more to say, but I still have work to do and it's already getting late where I am. But a conspiracy? Yes, absolutely.

The football authorities have acted both venally and amateurishly with regard to MCFC matters, incited by rival clubs acting in accordance with their own naked self-interest and backed by vacuous cheerleading from most in the media. All of them have been in it together (and I despise them for it).

If we could get to the other side of this 115 case with no serious sanction or stain on our reputation in the eyes of erudite and discerning observers, it'd be epic.

Some say our club will remain tarnished in the eyes of others even with a positive outcome. I beg to differ. Many people may take such a view but none will whose opinion deserves our respect.

We'd have a fantastic story to tell: they came for us and tried to destroy us, but we were too smart for them and they weren't half as clever as they thought. I do hope that those at the top of the club would be up for that PR battle.
 
petrusha said:
I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, it's true. I just see a lot of factors at play here that point in such a direction.

I just think that it was widely reported that Masters was interviewed by Manchester United and Liverpool before taking his current job.

Martin Samuel, among others, has reported that those clubs have been two of the most virulent of the several that have been pressuring the PL over many years to investigate and then take action against City.

Executives from rival clubs certainly aren't shy of giving anonymous briefings to select favoured journalists about the swingeing, extravagant and unprecedented punishments they'd like to see applied in this case. Many of those thus mooted would be catastrophic for City in terms of maintaining a place among the English game's leading clubs.

Having conducted an investigation into City over a period of several years with wide powers to demand documents and information from the club, the PL will definitely have far more evidence at its disposal than did UEFA during its disciplinary case against MCFC,

Masters and the rest of the PL leadership are fighting for their professional lives, as perceived failure in this case would almost certainly see them lose office. They have nothing to lose by fighting this case as hard as they possibly can.

All those factors suggest only one thing to me, which is that these proceedings involve the PL trying to hammer City and the club is fighting if not for survival then at least to avoid consequences that could be disastrous.

The feeling within the game is overwhelmingly hostile to City, though we perhaps have more allies than we once did. IMO the general sentiment is that we must have cheated somehow to have made the progress we've shown under Mansour.

The traditional top clubs hate us for coming along and hoovering trophies that they think should be theirs by rights. They'd love to see a really draconian punishment, obviously.

However, they also seem to have persuaded other clubs that we're cheats, so any such penalty would be deserved while it's also just for us to be regarded as a pariah.

This is despite the fact that the PL has dredged back years to find matters to accuse us of. FFS, the formal accusations came in 2023 and some relate to a circumstances in place in a season that began not in the previous decade but the one before that.

No one seems interested in the fact that the most serious accusation reported relates to a sponsorship contract under which the club has been proven to have supplied the services in question, the services were paid for and UEFA's experts deemed the arrangement to be at a fair value.

IF ADUG funnelled cash into MCFC by disguised equity contributions by paying the sponsorship fees under the above contract, that deprived the club of the right to obtain revenue by seeking a different shirt sponsor as well as other naming rights partners for the stadium and training ground, meaning we were barely up on the deal if at all.

No one will tell you this. No, all you'll read about is how City vastly inflated sponsorship deals to help money flow into the club. UEFA, acting in the utmost bad faith and having decided that the scenario had occurred, regarded it as meriting a two-season ban from their competitions.

The PL, meanwhile, having introduced APT rules that clearly have a potential to affect City adversely, has also shown malice and perfidy at every turn, deliberately delaying its responses to City's application for consent and withholding the rationale for its decision.

Both UEFA and the PL have leaked like the proverbial sieves, channelling information detrimental to MCFC to client journalists who've relished the opportunity to act as opinion leaders with regard to the club.

I could go on as there's more to say, but I still have work to do and it's already getting late where I am. But a conspiracy? Yes, absolutely.

The football authorities have acted both venally and amateurishly with regard to MCFC matters, incited by rival clubs acting in accordance with their own naked self-interest and backed by vacuous cheerleading from most in the media. All of them have been in it together (and I despise them for it).

If we could get to the other side of this 115 case with no serious sanction or stain on our reputation in the eyes of erudite and discerning observers, it'd be epic.

Some say our club will remain tarnished in the eyes of others even with a positive outcome. I beg to differ. Many people may take such a view but none will whose opinion deserves our respect.

We'd have a fantastic story to tell: they came for us and tried to destroy us, but we were too smart for them and they weren't half as clever as they thought. I do hope that those at the top of the club would be up for that PR battle.
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:) I like you.
 
petrusha said:
I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, it's true. I just see a lot of factors at play here that point in such a direction.

I recall that it was widely reported that Masters was interviewed by Manchester United and Liverpool before taking his current job.

Martin Samuel, among others, has reported that those clubs have been two of the most virulent of the several that have been pressuring the PL over many years to investigate and then take action against City.

Executives from rival clubs certainly aren't shy of giving anonymous briefings to select favoured journalists about the swingeing, extravagant and unprecedented punishments they'd like to see applied in this case. Many of those thus mooted would be catastrophic for City in terms of maintaining a place among the English game's leading clubs.

Having conducted an investigation into City over a period of several years with wide powers to demand documents and information from the club, the PL will definitely have far more evidence at its disposal than did UEFA during its disciplinary case against MCFC,

Masters and the rest of the PL leadership are fighting for their professional lives, as perceived failure in this case would almost certainly see them lose office. They have nothing to lose by fighting this case as hard as they possibly can.

All those factors suggest only one thing to me, which is that these proceedings involve the PL trying to hammer City and the club is fighting if not for survival then at least to avoid consequences that could be disastrous.

The feeling within the game is overwhelmingly hostile to City, though we perhaps have more allies than we once did. IMO the general sentiment is that we must have cheated somehow to have made the progress we've shown under Mansour.

The traditional top clubs hate us for coming along and hoovering trophies that they think should be theirs by rights. They'd love to see a really draconian punishment, obviously.

However, they also seem to have persuaded other clubs that we're cheats, so any such penalty would be deserved while it's also just for us to be regarded as a pariah.

This is despite the fact that the PL has dredged back years to find matters to accuse us of. FFS, the formal accusations came in 2023 and some relate to a circumstances in place in a season that began not in the previous decade but the one before that.

No one seems interested in the fact that the most serious accusation reported relates to a sponsorship contract under which the club has been proven to have supplied the services in question, the services were paid for and UEFA's experts deemed the arrangement to be at a fair value.

IF ADUG funnelled cash into MCFC by disguised equity contributions by paying the sponsorship fees under the above contract, that deprived the club of the right to obtain revenue by seeking a different shirt sponsor as well as other naming rights partners for the stadium and training ground, meaning we were barely up on the deal if at all.

No one will tell you this. No, all you'll read about is how City vastly inflated sponsorship deals to help money flow into the club. UEFA, acting in the utmost bad faith and having decided that the scenario had occurred, regarded it as meriting a two-season ban from their competitions.

The PL, meanwhile, having introduced APT rules that clearly have a potential to affect City adversely, has also shown malice and perfidy at every turn, deliberately delaying its responses to City's application for consent and withholding the rationale for its decision.

Both UEFA and the PL have leaked like the proverbial sieves, channelling information detrimental to MCFC to client journalists who've relished the opportunity to act as opinion leaders with regard to the club.

I could go on as there's more to say, but I still have work to do and it's already getting late where I am. But a conspiracy? Yes, absolutely.

The football authorities have acted both venally and amateurishly with regard to MCFC matters, incited by rival clubs acting in accordance with their own naked self-interest and backed by vacuous cheerleading from most in the media. All of them have been in it together (and I despise them for it).

If we could get to the other side of this 115 case with no serious sanction or stain on our reputation in the eyes of erudite and discerning observers, it'd be epic.

Some say our club will remain tarnished in the eyes of others even with a positive outcome. I beg to differ. Many people may take such a view but none will whose opinion deserves our respect.

We'd have a fantastic story to tell: they came for us and tried to destroy us, but we were too smart for them and they weren't half as clever as they thought. I do hope that those at the top of the club would be up for that PR battle.
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Take a bow, son....

A post for the ages.
 
Prophet of Doom said:
Somebody has already questioned him on Twitter about it.

He produces a City podcast and is out and about amongst blues at every game, so I can’t believe he would go round spouting made up negative shit about City.

Hope he’s wrong.
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A Liverpool fan with 0 followers (and who follows Magic Hat, and only tweet replies about City) asked him.
 

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Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I've absolutely no idea how you have come to that conclusion. The thing I consistently post is that until the judg(e)ment is released we won't know what the outcome is unless there is a verifiable leak from an unimpeachable source. To date there hasn't been.

I also have posted at various stages that the club was incredibly lax and complacent by not having even basic IT security in place until after we had been hacked by a Portuguese nobody.
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Would you like a list of national security agencies, governments, IT security companies and multi billion pound companies that have also been hacked?
 
petrusha said:
I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, it's true. I just see a lot of factors at play here that point in such a direction.

I just think that it was widely reported that Masters was interviewed by Manchester United and Liverpool before taking his current job.

Martin Samuel, among others, has reported that those clubs have been two of the most virulent of the several that have been pressuring the PL over many years to investigate and then take action against City.

Executives from rival clubs certainly aren't shy of giving anonymous briefings to select favoured journalists about the swingeing, extravagant and unprecedented punishments they'd like to see applied in this case. Many of those thus mooted would be catastrophic for City in terms of maintaining a place among the English game's leading clubs.

Having conducted an investigation into City over a period of several years with wide powers to demand documents and information from the club, the PL will definitely have far more evidence at its disposal than did UEFA during its disciplinary case against MCFC,

Masters and the rest of the PL leadership are fighting for their professional lives, as perceived failure in this case would almost certainly see them lose office. They have nothing to lose by fighting this case as hard as they possibly can.

All those factors suggest only one thing to me, which is that these proceedings involve the PL trying to hammer City and the club is fighting if not for survival then at least to avoid consequences that could be disastrous.

The feeling within the game is overwhelmingly hostile to City, though we perhaps have more allies than we once did. IMO the general sentiment is that we must have cheated somehow to have made the progress we've shown under Mansour.

The traditional top clubs hate us for coming along and hoovering trophies that they think should be theirs by rights. They'd love to see a really draconian punishment, obviously.

However, they also seem to have persuaded other clubs that we're cheats, so any such penalty would be deserved while it's also just for us to be regarded as a pariah.

This is despite the fact that the PL has dredged back years to find matters to accuse us of. FFS, the formal accusations came in 2023 and some relate to a circumstances in place in a season that began not in the previous decade but the one before that.

No one seems interested in the fact that the most serious accusation reported relates to a sponsorship contract under which the club has been proven to have supplied the services in question, the services were paid for and UEFA's experts deemed the arrangement to be at a fair value.

IF ADUG funnelled cash into MCFC by disguised equity contributions by paying the sponsorship fees under the above contract, that deprived the club of the right to obtain revenue by seeking a different shirt sponsor as well as other naming rights partners for the stadium and training ground, meaning we were barely up on the deal if at all.

No one will tell you this. No, all you'll read about is how City vastly inflated sponsorship deals to help money flow into the club. UEFA, acting in the utmost bad faith and having decided that the scenario had occurred, regarded it as meriting a two-season ban from their competitions.

The PL, meanwhile, having introduced APT rules that clearly have a potential to affect City adversely, has also shown malice and perfidy at every turn, deliberately delaying its responses to City's application for consent and withholding the rationale for its decision.

Both UEFA and the PL have leaked like the proverbial sieves, channelling information detrimental to MCFC to client journalists who've relished the opportunity to act as opinion leaders with regard to the club.

I could go on as there's more to say, but I still have work to do and it's already getting late where I am. But a conspiracy? Yes, absolutely.

The football authorities have acted both venally and amateurishly with regard to MCFC matters, incited by rival clubs acting in accordance with their own naked self-interest and backed by vacuous cheerleading from most in the media. All of them have been in it together (and I despise them for it).

If we could get to the other side of this 115 case with no serious sanction or stain on our reputation in the eyes of erudite and discerning observers, it'd be epic.

Some say our club will remain tarnished in the eyes of others even with a positive outcome. I beg to differ. Many people may take such a view but none will whose opinion deserves our respect.

We'd have a fantastic story to tell: they came for us and tried to destroy us, but we were too smart for them and they weren't half as clever as they thought. I do hope that those at the top of the club would be up for that PR battle.
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It amazes me how many people start these posts with “I’m not normally a Conspiracy Theorist”.

Imho if you’re not a conspiracy theorist, you’re not paying attention. The term conspiracy theorist was introduced by the CIA to describe anybody who challenged the official version on the Kennedy assassination. Now if you still believe Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy as a lone assassin and was then conveniently shot himself shortly after, given the welter of info out there, I’d like to treat your drive for Covid. £2k, mates rates.

Don’t vilify the conspiracy theorists. They keep things right. Even if they’re wrong.

I’m not one, obviously. Freaks.
 
petrusha said:
I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, it's true. I just see a lot of factors at play here that point in such a direction.

I recall that it was widely reported that Masters was interviewed by Manchester United and Liverpool before taking his current job.

Martin Samuel, among others, has reported that those clubs have been two of the most virulent of the several that have been pressuring the PL over many years to investigate and then take action against City.

Executives from rival clubs certainly aren't shy of giving anonymous briefings to select favoured journalists about the swingeing, extravagant and unprecedented punishments they'd like to see applied in this case. Many of those thus mooted would be catastrophic for City in terms of maintaining a place among the English game's leading clubs.

Having conducted an investigation into City over a period of several years with wide powers to demand documents and information from the club, the PL will definitely have far more evidence at its disposal than did UEFA during its disciplinary case against MCFC,

Masters and the rest of the PL leadership are fighting for their professional lives, as perceived failure in this case would almost certainly see them lose office. They have nothing to lose by fighting this case as hard as they possibly can.

All those factors suggest only one thing to me, which is that these proceedings involve the PL trying to hammer City and the club is fighting if not for survival then at least to avoid consequences that could be disastrous.

The feeling within the game is overwhelmingly hostile to City, though we perhaps have more allies than we once did. IMO the general sentiment is that we must have cheated somehow to have made the progress we've shown under Mansour.

The traditional top clubs hate us for coming along and hoovering trophies that they think should be theirs by rights. They'd love to see a really draconian punishment, obviously.

However, they also seem to have persuaded other clubs that we're cheats, so any such penalty would be deserved while it's also just for us to be regarded as a pariah.

This is despite the fact that the PL has dredged back years to find matters to accuse us of. FFS, the formal accusations came in 2023 and some relate to a circumstances in place in a season that began not in the previous decade but the one before that.

No one seems interested in the fact that the most serious accusation reported relates to a sponsorship contract under which the club has been proven to have supplied the services in question, the services were paid for and UEFA's experts deemed the arrangement to be at a fair value.

IF ADUG funnelled cash into MCFC by disguised equity contributions by paying the sponsorship fees under the above contract, that deprived the club of the right to obtain revenue by seeking a different shirt sponsor as well as other naming rights partners for the stadium and training ground, meaning we were barely up on the deal if at all.

No one will tell you this. No, all you'll read about is how City vastly inflated sponsorship deals to help money flow into the club. UEFA, acting in the utmost bad faith and having decided that the scenario had occurred, regarded it as meriting a two-season ban from their competitions.

The PL, meanwhile, having introduced APT rules that clearly have a potential to affect City adversely, has also shown malice and perfidy at every turn, deliberately delaying its responses to City's application for consent and withholding the rationale for its decision.

Both UEFA and the PL have leaked like the proverbial sieves, channelling information detrimental to MCFC to client journalists who've relished the opportunity to act as opinion leaders with regard to the club.

I could go on as there's more to say, but I still have work to do and it's already getting late where I am. But a conspiracy? Yes, absolutely.

The football authorities have acted both venally and amateurishly with regard to MCFC matters, incited by rival clubs acting in accordance with their own naked self-interest and backed by vacuous cheerleading from most in the media. All of them have been in it together (and I despise them for it).

If we could get to the other side of this 115 case with no serious sanction or stain on our reputation in the eyes of erudite and discerning observers, it'd be epic.

Some say our club will remain tarnished in the eyes of others even with a positive outcome. I beg to differ. Many people may take such a view but none will whose opinion deserves our respect.

We'd have a fantastic story to tell: they came for us and tried to destroy us, but we were too smart for them and they weren't half as clever as they thought. I do hope that those at the top of the club would be up for that PR battle.
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Any positives?
 
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