eyalluvitt
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Coz we still have a few hundred pre printed shirts in the souvenir shop basement?
Baleba
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I’d love Baleba and I think he’s a player who can make a great impact over many years for us. He is only 20 or so and is gonna come with an astronomical price tag. Although I feel as though if you buy a 20 year old for £100 million keep him for 10 years and he can be better value than a 27 year old for £60 million who stays for 5 years. But we would have to be sure he’s the right player for us , very good off the ball no doubt, only question for me is on-the ball is he good enough, is the passing ability there, weight of pass, first touch etc im not sure because obviously whoever it is will likely have to step into a number 6 role this is also why im a bit doubtful on Ederson. Wharton could be another shout .
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I'd bet if Brighton had Jacob Wright or McAt they would be playing for them
Ffs give it a rest
Cobwebcat
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That’s not all true.
Starlizard have the best data and algorithms for footy data in the World…by a mile. They recently moved the footy stats arm to a company called Jamestown analytics. You cannot buy their data you have to be invited and it’s one team per country. So far there are only 4 clubs that they work with and even they don’t see how it is done. Hearts are the latest. It was strongly rumoured that Liverpool (who have one of the best data analytics departments in the World) offered Jamestown £50 million to be part of the group and Bloom said no for obvious reasons.
It’s also one thing having the best data but quite another knowing what to do with it and committing to it.
Tony Bloom and Hearts: Recruitment, Jamestown, algorithms, Belgium and vision
Who is Tony Bloom? Hearts Standard spoke to numerous people to find out more.
www.heartsstandard.co.uk
I’m guessing that Hearts have to pay Bloom a percentage of any future profit made from player sales.
The Impact Of Jamestown Analytics On World Football
Jamestown Analytics have proven themselves to be one of Football's leading organisations when it comes to player recruitment, as evidence by their work at Brighton. Here we look into their background.
jobsinfootball.com
There are departments that know pieces of the algorithm but only Bloom knows the lot. This applies to the betting arm and the player transfer side too.
There is probably only Brentford via Benham that do anything like Brighton do in Word football. It’s not something easy to replicate in fact it’s impossible. If it was then everyone would be winning millions from the Asian betting markets and they aren’t.
To think these guys just have the same run of the mill data and algorithms as everyone else is a complete misunderstanding of what they do.
What’s the algorithm ? There won’t be one as such different clubs will pick different data to emphasis for different types of player based on different needs. The data won’t be that special either. FM has more data than most on players. CFG will also have more than most as they employ more scouts than most and have scouts looking in a wider area where people do not look as often such as China Bolivia perhaps still to a less extent Japan Australasia America due to having CFG clubs there.That’s not all true.
Starlizard have the best data and algorithms for footy data in the World…by a mile. They recently moved the footy stats arm to a company called Jamestown analytics. You cannot buy their data you have to be invited and it’s one team per country. So far there are only 4 clubs that they work with and even they don’t see how it is done. Hearts are the latest. It was strongly rumoured that Liverpool (who have one of the best data analytics departments in the World) offered Jamestown £50 million to be part of the group and Bloom said no for obvious reasons.
It’s also one thing having the best data but quite another knowing what to do with it and committing to it.
Tony Bloom and Hearts: Recruitment, Jamestown, algorithms, Belgium and vision
Who is Tony Bloom? Hearts Standard spoke to numerous people to find out more.
I’m guessing that Hearts have to pay Bloom a percentage of any future profit made from player sales.
The Impact Of Jamestown Analytics On World Football
Jamestown Analytics have proven themselves to be one of Football's leading organisations when it comes to player recruitment, as evidence by their work at Brighton. Here we look into their background.
There are departments that know pieces of the algorithm but only Bloom knows the lot. This applies to the betting arm and the player transfer side too.
There is probably only Brentford via Benham that do anything like Brighton do in Word football. It’s not something easy to replicate in fact it’s impossible. If it was then everyone would be winning millions from the Asian betting markets and they aren’t.
To think these guys just have the same run of the mill data and algorithms as everyone else is a complete misunderstanding of what they do.
Also due to the wide variety of clubs in CFG they are looking at a wider range of players the club in Bolivia won’t be look at the same level as City and each club will need different types of players at different times
I believe a few national teams and Bolvian club are using CFG scouting data and training methods.
CFG will employ the scouts and clubs will pay CFG for the scouting so basically what you describe with Brighton
Cobwebcat
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If you read the articles I posted, and that is your take, then I’m astonished but you are entitled to your opinion.
If your post is a Clarke…you got me.
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I didn’t read them.
How about you respond to my post rather than insulting me ?
Let’s take the algorithm point again let’s say club x is looking for a defensive midfielder and it wants to focus on tackling ability Mean while club y needs a defensive midfielder more like Rodri it will focus on say passing ability.
How will the algorithm work ? It won’t you will pick the players with the best stats in the main areas that your particular club is looking at for a particular type of player.
I wouldn’t call that an algorithm
Scouts will also judge a player on less stat like stuff for example Robinho was possibly one of the most talented players I have seen a lot of his talent wouldn’t show on stats. Was it Mouriniho who said odgard touched the ball differently it made a different sound when he had the ball ? It’s up to clubs to decide how to value that.
Let’s go back to the data point CFG probably have more data than most for the reasons I explained
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At the end of the day, whatever algorithm they or Brentford use, it has earned them both a fair amount of cash but absolutely no trophies whatsoever.
Furthermore, none look on the horizon either.
Furthermore, none look on the horizon either.
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I never said they have the same as everyone else. They have their edge, like lots of other firms do.That’s not all true.
Starlizard have the best data and algorithms for footy data in the World…by a mile. They recently moved the footy stats arm to a company called Jamestown analytics. You cannot buy their data you have to be invited and it’s one team per country. So far there are only 4 clubs that they work with and even they don’t see how it is done. Hearts are the latest. It was strongly rumoured that Liverpool (who have one of the best data analytics departments in the World) offered Jamestown £50 million to be part of the group and Bloom said no for obvious reasons.
It’s also one thing having the best data but quite another knowing what to do with it and committing to it.
Tony Bloom and Hearts: Recruitment, Jamestown, algorithms, Belgium and vision
Who is Tony Bloom? Hearts Standard spoke to numerous people to find out more.
I’m guessing that Hearts have to pay Bloom a percentage of any future profit made from player sales.
The Impact Of Jamestown Analytics On World Football
Jamestown Analytics have proven themselves to be one of Football's leading organisations when it comes to player recruitment, as evidence by their work at Brighton. Here we look into their background.
There are departments that know pieces of the algorithm but only Bloom knows the lot. This applies to the betting arm and the player transfer side too.
There is probably only Brentford via Benham that do anything like Brighton do in Word football. It’s not something easy to replicate in fact it’s impossible. If it was then everyone would be winning millions from the Asian betting markets and they aren’t.
To think these guys just have the same run of the mill data and algorithms as everyone else is a complete misunderstanding of what they do.
They are not perfect, it's impossible to be.
I doubt Bloom even understands it, he has no computer science background or anything. He has used his wealth to hire very talented (sadly not me!) engineers to build the platform and has data analysts simply providing him with a sheet of paper that says what to bet on.
Cobwebcat
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I’m sorry but that’s untrue. He is the talent. Even a basic understanding of the history of Benham and Bloom would illustrate this. See how they became rich.
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decmancity
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Believe what you want, having been in the room with the people that work there they paint a very different picture.
Brighton have burnt hundreds of millions on shit players and earnt hundreds of millions on others. City have done the same. No system is perfect, Brighton just get away with it because no one really cares about them whereas every City signing is scrutinised.
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Is it not the case Brighton have got lucky with some signings and equally others have not been so great.
Everyone is in awe of some of their better signings but don’t highlight the poor ones. If they were ripping it up in the Prem like say Atlanta in Serie A I would perhaps sit up and take more note.
For now you win with some and lose with some.
Everyone is in awe of some of their better signings but don’t highlight the poor ones. If they were ripping it up in the Prem like say Atlanta in Serie A I would perhaps sit up and take more note.
For now you win with some and lose with some.
Cobwebcat
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I apologise if you felt insulted. All the answers are in the articles. If you are interested I don’t know why you wouldn’t read them.
To briefly answer your questions though…
The algorithm does, in its most basic aspect, what you are saying it can’t do. In fact nearly all sports science can do this, it’s nothing special in that regard. Statsbomb are probably the best known but Jamestown Analytics is in another league entirely.
You asked what the algorithm was. Given that only Bloom knows and it’s worth hundreds of millions to him and relies on nobody else knowing I thought you might be joking. He made his money by beating the bookmakers in the Asian markets. He does this with data that gives him an edge over anyone else. If his algorithms were known his edge would be lost.
Scouting is still important, you are right there. Data is good in that it can narrow the field based on required criteria and budget but it can’t tell you if the player will disturb the dressing room for example.
Ok so City. We have one of the biggest analytical departments in World football currently led by Laurie Shaw who you can read about here….
Training Ground Guru | Man City land big signing in quest to be the best in data science
A PhD in computational astrophysics, developing trading systems for a £30bn hedge fund and policy advisor for the British government: not your typical CV for a member of backroom staff. However, these are just some of the credentials of Laurie Shaw, who has been appointed Lead AI Scientist by...
archive.trainingground.guru
It is also correct that the data we share in the CFG gives us a significant edge over most clubs that don’t have the multi team model. However, it’s how the data is used that is most important as any data analyst would tell you.
Like most things in life there are levels. I don’t mean to insult you but Football Manager would be the equivalent of say Grimsby and that’s not to say it’s useless, it’s better than nothing but everyone has access to it’s limited data so there is no edge.
Liverpool and City have very good in house analytical teams which would be Champions league level.
Jamestown Analytics and Smartodds algorithms are like peak Barcelona.
Having them working for you won’t guarantee you trophies because teams like Brighton and Brentford cannot afford Haaland but they can mean you consistently over perform compared to your budget..watch the film Moneyball.
If all PL teams had the same spending power and everything was equal, Brighton and Brentford would be clear of the field but that will never happen so the measure has to be how are they doing with the resources they have.
I hope I have answered your questions.
Cobwebcat
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You are correct I will believe what I think to be true which is Bloom made Billions of pounds via his algorithms which he created.
No system is perfect I agree.
I can’t say I like your last sentence as it sounds like the sort of thing a United fan would say to a blue in all honesty so I’m not going to do the same to Brighton.
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with Atlanta playing hard ball, we would do well to drop interest and go for this player. So Baleba, Khusanov and Rovella, would be an outstanding window, With Echverri, McFarlane and Bobb coming back, we have a chance of making CL next season.
Who is McFarlane?
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Young English youth international LB currently playing for New York City. Born in London to Jamaican parents, but raised in New York from very young. Physically he's a beast, with pace to burn.
Kind of reminds me of Alphonso Davies.
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No chance we can get Baleba.