PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Blue Maverick]

Your Grindr profile photo needs a rethink.

Butch lesbian

 

[Gone for a Burton]

In the German insurance market, they have got this off to a fine tee. If you want to launch a new product, you have to give full details to the trade body six months in advance. The details are duly posted to all members. Result: no new entrants from E.U.

They do love an invasion of a smaller, neighbouring country though !!

 

[Keeper!]

I remember being told, years ago, of a well-known local manager being given wads of cash in a brown bag in connection with some transfer. The game's always been a bit dodgy, and the people who pretend it is (or ever was) squeaky clean are either hypocrites or deluded.

I remember a famous ex chairman also senior member of the FA and his secretary regularly going to his company supplied Jaguar and putting in plastic shopping bags with bundles of cash into the boot, the said cash never seen again.

It's a good job we were never under investigation in the 80s, we would be completely @ucked!

 

[KS55]

I remember being told, years ago, of a well-known local manager being given wads of cash in a brown bag in connection with some transfer. The game's always been a bit dodgy, and the people who pretend it is (or ever was) squeaky clean are either hypocrites or deluded.

1. When Alan Sugar took over Spurs he was astonished to find £1 million in cash in the safe. He asked VENABLES who told him it was for bungs to help transfers. Sugar told them to get rid of it.
2. Revie used to meet Alan Ball on the moors and give him cash to ensure he signed for Leeds. In the event Ball signed for Everton, secure in the knowledge that Revie could not complain publicly. Ball wrote this in his autobiography.
3. I am absolutely sure that nobody at City would ever understate the attendance figures and cream off cash for nefarious causes, oh no!

 

[BerkshireBlue]

There is a problem with having ‘secure’ passwords. We have a system where the password has to be changed every three months and it must contain the usual mix of alphabetical characters plus numbers and symbols. For a time you couldn’t use more than a few characters from your previous password.

My roommate couldn’t cope with all this and even if he changed his password he couldn’t remember what he had changed it to. Once he was off sick and hadn’t posted details for an assignment and students came in complaining to me. I sorted things out by lifting up his keyboard and finding the ‘post-it’ note with his password written down stuck underneath. I duly hacked into his account and posted the information needed.

That system goes against the new best guidance rules for password creation. You need a new system. Changing passwords every 3 months makes the whole password weaker due to human behaviour like you've mentioned.

 

[Gordyola]

It still puzzles me why we didn't go to the police over this, as it was a clear criminal offence under the Computer Misuse Act.

Is it not an offense to not report criminal activity?

The database concerned was an external supplied one which City paid to access I would imagine that City had no control over password protocol which was probably quite weak at the time. They may have even shared a common password to save logging in an out at the time, certainly not unusual in lots of organizations in the past

 

[BerkshireBlue]

one little thing i find weird is that passwords can go that long without being changed. thats naughty by rob newman imo but it may well have been commonplace at city back then

It's against best practices to change your passwords. What was missing from city by the sound of it was the implementation of 2FA and SSO

 

[crystal_mais]

I have been in IT my entire career, working at billion dollar companies and in our most recent round of phishing training. The head of IT security got caught out.

Shit happens, nothing is infallible.

I have been working in Cyber for over 12 years now across numerous large companies. You can push as much training etc through as possible, but you can't plan for human error.

From what i was told, the Pinto hack was via a Phishing email and as discussed here the scouting DB was via a password being used. I think if the guy had shared his password with a colleague that is wrong but if someone guessed a password, then that's a different scenario.

As you said shit happens, we have an over reliance on technology but that also means we have far more doors to keep locked.

 

[KS55]

I have been working in Cyber for over 12 years now across numerous large companies. You can push as much training etc through as possible, but you can't plan for human error.

From what i was told, the Pinto hack was via a Phishing email and as discussed here the scouting DB was via a password being used. I think if the guy had shared his password with a colleague that is wrong but if someone guessed a password, then that's a different scenario.

As you said shit happens, we have an over reliance on technology but that also means we have far more doors to keep locked.

The Chinese gov has recently hacked Trump and several other senior personnel. US gov staff are forbidden to have the Tik Tok app on their phones.It is very hard to stop a determined hacker.

 

[mancboy]

The Chinese gov has recently hacked Trump and several other senior personnel. US gov staff are forbidden to have the Tik Tok app on their phones.It is very hard to stop a determined hacker.

with the advent of supercomputers and increased processing power passwords have become effectively for your peace of mind than stopping a hacker, if they want to brute force their way in then they will.

 

[eike]

It’s what makes me laugh when people say what’s happening to City wouldn’t happen outside football. It’s exactly what happens outside football.

For instance what the Glazers did is pretty much what happened to all of UKs asset

It’s what makes me laugh when people say what’s happening to City wouldn’t happen outside football. It’s exactly what happens outside football.

For instance what the Glazers did is pretty much what happened to all of UKs assets.

Earlier in the film Dave gets taken to court on a technicality (actually done nothing wrong) but if charged he won't be able to get the bankers licence.All this came from the banking cartel to stop him, it really mirrors our situation.

 

[cheekybids]

Earlier in the film Dave gets taken to court on a technicality (actually done nothing wrong) but if charged he won't be able to get the bankers licence.All this came from the banking cartel to stop him, it really mirrors our situation.

I thought the attitudes of the banks matched our situation, they think they are a class above.

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

The Chinese gov has recently hacked Trump and several other senior personnel. US gov staff are forbidden to have the Tik Tok app on their phones.It is very hard to stop a determined hacker.

I had a Huawei Smart Watch. President Xi Ping called me to warn me about my blood pressure. Lovely chap.

 

[hammocity]

Watched a good film yesterday (Bank of Dave) it's about a business man in Burnley who wants to start up a new bank for the people of Burnley with profits going to local charities. To get it started he has to apply to the bank regulators but Dave's problem is that it's a closed shop and it's been over a century since a new bank has been accepted ( they don't want any Johnny come latelys taking a slice of the pie) There is a scene in the film where some of the major bankers (red cartel) are sat in the boardroom debating over how to stop Dave and this guy
(Masters) pipes up and says yes let him join our group, the cartel can't believe this but he explains that as we make up all the rules we can make it impossible for him as he won't be able to comply with our bullshit.
It was like watching us against the cartel/pm mafia

Very good film, there's a second one out this year, my mate drives actors to sets, he did that one. He's on the new series of Brassic starting today.

You're right about the analogy with the PL but Dave was so determined even though he had to raise £12m which originally was beyond him, shows what you can do.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Is it not an offense to not report criminal activity?

The database concerned was an external supplied one which City paid to access I would imagine that City had no control over password protocol which was probably quite weak at the time. They may have even shared a common password to save logging in an out at the time, certainly not unusual in lots of organizations in the past

It wouldn’t have surprised me if the system was sold on a “per user” basis and clubs just decided to save money by buying one licence to share between multiple users. I’ve seen plenty of businesses being cheapskates in this way.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Have Chelsea & PSG denied Liverpool, Arsenal & the Rags their rights to the champions league pot.

Every quid above the £80m revenue we used to earn in 2008 that we’ve earnt since they believe was theirs & it pisses them off.

This is the absolute crux of the matter.
The ‘history clubs’ feel denied and they won’t have it.
If we go back in history to the 63rd edition of the league (which was half the number of today) the most title wins were Arsenal (7) and then Sunderland (6) Rags, Dippers and Everton, all with 5
So the red shirts had 17 between them, about 27% of the titles available.

In the second half of the history of the league, from 1962/63, the Rags are on 15, Dippers on 14, Arsenal on 6 giving a total of 35 which is more than double the first half of football history.
Without City, they’d have won another 8 between them, which would have put them on 43. So, since 1962/63 they’d have won 69% of all top flight titles.

Even more starkly, since the introduction of the PL, without City, they’d have won 25 out of 32 or EIGHTY percent.

 

[cheekybids]

This is the absolute crux of the matter.
The ‘history clubs’ feel denied and they won’t have it.
If we go back in history to the 63rd edition of the league (which was half the number of today) the most title wins were Arsenal (7) and then Sunderland (6) Rags, Dippers and Everton, all with 5
So the red shirts had 17 between them, about 27% of the titles available.

In the second half of the history of the league, from 1962/63, the Rags are on 15, Dippers on 14, Arsenal on 6 giving a total of 35 which is more than double the first half of football history.
Without City, they’d have won another 8 between them, which would have put them on 43. So, since 1962/63 they’d have won 69% of all top flight titles.

Even more starkly, since the introduction of the PL, without City, they’d have won 25 out of 32 or EIGHTY percent.

Leicester wouldn’t have won it if we hadn’t shaken the whole league up. The rags would have continued hoovering up players & winning.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Leicester wouldn’t have won it if we hadn’t shaken the whole league up. The rags would have continued hoovering up players & winning.

Leicester might have won it, but none of the usual suspects would have cared. Same with us, if we’d won in 2012 and maybe had another with Pep, there’d be no charges. Leicester weren’t guilty of turning the whole house of cards upside down, which is where we’ve ’made our mistake’.

Mind you, the only single title winners in the PL era have both been relegated so maybe Blackburn and Leicester should have also ‘known their place’…..

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

Leicester wouldn’t have won it if we hadn’t shaken the whole league up. The rags would have continued hoovering up players & winning.

Leicester City and Blackburn Rovers prove that you can get a once in a generation blip for Champions. Neither of those clubs were exactly “squeaky clean”. Leicester managed to get a free stadium by going into administration and leaving lots of local businesses in the mire. Jack Walker clearly wouldn’t have been able to invest in Blackburn under the current financial rules. Neither club gets called out though. The reason is it’s a generational blip as I said and neither club were ever going to threaten the top 4 on any meaningful, regular basis. So they get their hair ruffled and looked upon with a dewy eyed romanticism. The double standards make me puke.

 

[Bluepetal]

Very good film, there's a second one out this year, my mate drives actors to sets, he did that one. He's on the new series of Brassic starting today.

You're right about the analogy with the PL but Dave was so determined even though he had to raise £12m which originally was beyond him, shows what you can do.

So they filming the new Brassic ? I love that series, absolutely bloody love it .