Southport attacker pleads guilty to murdering three girls | Sentenced to 52 years in prison

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CTID1988 said:
news.sky.com

Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana pleads guilty to murdering three girls at dance class

The 18-year-old also admitted 10 counts of attempted murder, producing ricin and possessing an al Qaeda training manual on what was due to be the first day of his trial.
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Had an Al-Qaida training manual and has also been charged with producing ricin as a bio weapon, but we are still told the incident wasn't terror related. Ok.
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Hanging would be too lenient for this monster. We all know his motivation for committing this dreadful act.
 
CTID1988 said:
news.sky.com

Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana pleads guilty to murdering three girls at dance class

The 18-year-old also admitted 10 counts of attempted murder, producing ricin and possessing an al Qaeda training manual on what was due to be the first day of his trial.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

Had an Al-Qaida training manual and has also been charged with producing ricin as a bio weapon, but we are still told the incident wasn't terror related. Ok.
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The well meaning attempts to suppress the truth around these sort of incidents may well fan the very flames they wish to extinguish.
 
Really hope he gets real justice in Prison, stick him in with Charles Bronson (now apparently called Salvador Dali), that should do the trick.
 
CTID1988 said:
but we are still told the incident wasn't terror related. Ok.
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He has pleaded guilty to an offence under the terrorism act - possessing terrorist material and producing the toxin ricin.

The murders themselves didn't meet the legal definition of a terrorist act.

I think you're quite safe to describe it as terror related without fear of a libel charge.
 
What terror related usually means is violence carried out with a political motivation.

From what the police are have said there doesn't seem to be a clear political ideology at play here. On the evidence they have available to them.

Obviously a very disturbed person. You'd have to be to carry out that attack.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
What terror related usually means is violence carried out with a political motivation.

From what the police are have said there doesn't seem to be a clear political ideology at play here. On the evidence they have available to them.

Obviously a very disturbed person. You'd have to be to carry out that attack.
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Ah so when he pleads guilty to a terrorist offence in your eyes he is not guilty of it. Unbelievable Jeff
 
halfmist said:
Ah so when he pleads guilty to a terrorist offence in your eyes he is not guilty of it. Unbelievable Jeff
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You seem to have a trouble with reading what is actually written.

Terrorism related legislation and offences cover stuff that might not always be Terrorism.

The police have said it isn't terror related. Presumbly because they cant at this stage establish a link with a terrorist group or idealogy as the motivation behind the attack.

Unless you work in a lab and its part of your job, there is no lawful reason why anyone should produce or possess ricin.

But if someone is producing it out of morbid curiosity or they want it to poison their neighbour and isn't politically motivated, then it isn't strictly terrorism.

The same applies to downloading materials that can be used to make bombs.

Terrorism link or lack of doesn’t make what the disturbed man did any more or less evil.

It was a monstrous attack and my utmost sympathy is with all the families and survivors.
 
halfmist said:
Ah so when he pleads guilty to a terrorist offence in your eyes he is not guilty of it. Unbelievable Jeff
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It's not what people claim on Bluemoon...

Why hasn’t the Southport attack been declared a terrorist incident?​

For an attack to be declared as terrorism under UK law, it must have been carried out “for the purpose of political, religious, racial or ideological cause”. In this case, police and prosecutors have been unable to establish the motivation behind the stabbings.

Section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000 is clear that for an incident to be declared as terror-related it must be “designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation” or to intimidate the public or a section of the public.

Even if a suspect has been charged with a separate offence under the Terrorism Act – in this case section 58, relating to possession of material – there would need to be evidence of a sufficient motive in order to class an ensuing attack as “terrorism”. In this case, that threshold has not yet been met.

Also...can you stick to the truth? It would be helpful.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
You seem to have a trouble with reading what is actually written.

Terrorism related legislation and offences cover stuff that might not always be Terrorism.

The police have said it isn't terror related. Presumbly because they cant at this stage establish a link with a terrorist group or idealogy as the motivation behind the attack.

Unless you work in a lab and its part of your job, there is no lawful reason why anyone should produce or possess ricin.

But if someone is producing it out of morbid curiosity or they want it to poison their neighbour and isn't politically motivated, then it isn't strictly terrorism.

The same applies to downloading materials that can be used to make bombs.

Terrorism link or lack of doesn’t make what the disturbed man did any more or less evil.

It was a monstrous attack and my utmost sympathy is with all the families and survivors.
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He's reported as pleading guilty to Possessing information, namely a PDF file entitled “Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual” of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000.

So he is formally guilty of a terrorist offence.

The other charges are not formally terrorist offences.

CPS authorises two further charges against Axel Rudakubana | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk www.cps.gov.uk
 
Nothing good will come of this thread as usual. The authorities are shitting their pants over what may or may not come out over the course of this trial.

I just hope they send this **** down for as long as they possibly can.
 
halfmist said:
I just wonder how the do gooders would get on explaining their crackpot theories to the victims families.
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So if people were saying that it wasn't a terrorist attack then that makes them a do gooder? I doubt that there's a single person on this forum who is particularly bothered about whether it may or may not have been a terrorist attack because the most important part of this story that can't be changed is that 3 little girls have been murdered. Whether it was a terrorist attack or not, he's clearly a very disturbed person who needs to be locked up for a long time, preferably for life.

You, on the other hand, seem to be more desperate for it to be classed as a terrorist attack above all else. I just want the murdering **** taken off the streets for good.
 
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