What was the ideological motivation? You dance around the subject and then when people talk to you say that people are accusing you of racism. In your own words, what was the political or ideological motivation here?You can throw as much money as you like at a problem. If someone is pure evil or ideologically motivated nothing will change certainly not a course.
You see there you go twisting it again. You know full well I was talking about the definition of terrorism.
I'm not trying to twist your words. I'm utterly bemused by them. They make no sense whatever to me. You seem obsessed with definitions of terrorism, for reasons completely unclear.
For me, I've got no opinion as to whether changing the definition of terrorism would help or hinder future potential cases of this sort. Seems complicated to me.
We’ll wait and see what else comes out. The truth would be good.Sure, mass murder is not a regular teenage pursuit. But I don't think we can assume anything either way as to the influence of his family background. Other people without his background have committed appalling atrocities too. We just can't say at the moment, I think.
Putin likes this post..I might be missing something but why would ricin suggest a terror link?
Have you seen the news stories splashed all over the front pages last week of the far right kid that stabbed someone??Initially I found starmers speech annoying, but I have to admit he is 109% correct really regarding the legal process and my initial thoughts were admittedly more a reflection of my own opinion of Starmer.
Having said that, I think if the perpetrator were a white, right wing terrorist/murderer, I do not for one second think the information/speculation would have been suppressed in the same way.
The need to define somebody isn't why terrorism definitions exist.This is a really bizarre post.
All I've done is explain the law, and the law seems very clear that these murders do not fit the legal definition of terrorism.
That's it. Why it upsets you so much is your business.
The ricin charge was also not under the terrorism act, only the Al qaeda manual possession was.I might be missing something but why would ricin suggest a terror link?
The family background must be explored and I am sure it will be in the enquiry.Sure, mass murder is not a regular teenage pursuit. But I don't think we can assume anything either way as to the influence of his family background. Other people without his background have committed appalling atrocities too. We just can't say at the moment, I think.
I've said repeatedly I've no problem with anyone calling him a terrorist if they want to.So surely he's a terrorist?
Don't bother them with legal facts.I've said repeatedly I've no problem with anyone calling him a terrorist if they want to.
My point is merely that the murders themselves are outside the legal definition of terrorist acts, which is why they weren't charged as such.
I've no idea if he was detained under the provisions of the terrorism act or not.
He's a sad, low life murdering c*** that probably fantasized that he WAS some kind of terrorist. It's possible he WANTS to be classed as that.The need to define somebody isn't why terrorism definitions exist.
The law uses terrorism definitions in order to enable the enactment of terrorist legislation which for example allows the Police to hold somebody longer for questioning. They can hold a 'terrorist' for 14 days, for others it's less than 4 days. They can't do this without a reasonable suspicion that somebody is a terrorist by definition. A person who murders or mass-murders is not a terrorist unless something further is found.
However, they did find something in his house so they almost certainly would have used terrorist legislation in Southport. Does that make him a terrorist? Well as of 20/1 he has been convicted of and pled guilty to a terrorism offence... So surely he's a terrorist?
I think the legal facts are plain.Don't bother them with legal facts.
why can't this guy be similarly defined as a terrorist?
That’s your opinion. It’s not backed up in law.
Thanks for letting the group know.Yes, my opinion. He's a terrorist.
Did he terrorise those kids and adults - yes.Yes, my opinion. He's a terrorist.
Is the crossbow killer a terrorist too then?Did he terrorise those kids and adults - yes.