I think this is the debate. Jake Davison who walked around the Keyham area Plymouth, killing his mum and strangers. I am sure his victims were terrorised and the poor women who were killed by Kyle Clifford were terrorised. I would say they were terrorists however the police normally apply the word terrorism when there is an ideological reason behind the murders.Is the crossbow killer a terrorist too then?
I agree, which is why neither are defined as terrorist killings in law.I think this is the debate. Jake Davison who walked around the Keyham area Plymouth, killing his mum and strangers. I am sure his victims were terrorised and the poor women who were killed by Kyle Clifford were terrorised. I would say they were terrorists however the police normally apply the word terrorism when there is an ideological reason behind the murders.
Says the guy who said crime has gone down 90%.Obviously, everything is not "fine and Dandy"; 3 girls were murdered.
Says the guy who said crime has gone down 90%.
Glass houses and all that.
You've not repeated the exact same thing for 2 mins now crack on.Just so weird.
I've said repeatedly I've no problem with anyone calling him a terrorist if they want to.
My point is merely that the murders themselves are outside the legal definition of terrorist acts, which is why they weren't charged as such.
I've no idea if he was detained under the provisions of the terrorism act or not.
The weird bit was you trying to take the moral high ground and point scoring by linking the tragic deaths of these young girls with the discussion as to whether he is a terrorist or notJust so weird.
The weird bit was you trying to take the moral high ground and point scoring by linking the tragic deaths of these young girls with the discussion as to whether he is a terrorist or not
I did several posts back. It's a forum, and about opinions. You're welcome.Thanks for letting the group know.
Hold on a sec. You’re the **** who was obsessing over the terrorist angle. Why don’t you just do everyone a favour and have a night off from this thread eh?The weird bit was you trying to take the moral high ground and point scoring by linking the tragic deaths of these young girls with the discussion as to whether he is a terrorist or not
It will be unprecedented; because in many ways this crime is unprecedented for a youth. I'll be astounded if it's anything less than 40 years.Wonder what the minimum term will be on this. Not an easy one for Mr Justice Goose, because of his age. Even if it’s 50 years it won’t be enough for many, which is perfectly understandable, but the English legal system has punished offenders under the age of 21 far less severely than otherwise since late Victorian times, so the usual tedious tropes about feeble contemporary sentences will be, as usual, simply untrue. I expect an unprecedented sentence for a youth today.
It’s probably academic as I expect he’ll be subject to a hospital order at some point and I highly doubt he’ll experience freedom again.
RIP those poor little girls. Unimaginable way to go.
I take it a youth can’t get a whole life tariff?Wonder what the minimum term will be on this. Not an easy one for Mr Justice Goose, because of his age. Even if it’s 50 years it won’t be enough for many, which is perfectly understandable, but the English legal system has punished offenders under the age of 21 far less severely than otherwise since late Victorian times, so the usual tedious tropes about feeble contemporary sentences will be, as usual, simply untrue. I expect an unprecedented sentence for a youth today.
It’s probably academic as I expect he’ll be subject to a hospital order at some point and I highly doubt he’ll experience freedom again.
RIP those poor little girls. Unimaginable way to go.
No. You have to be 21 or older for a whole life tariffI take it a youth can’t get a whole life tariff?
The thing is, and people often don’t appreciate what I’m about to post.It will be unprecedented; because in many ways this crime is unprecedented for a youth. I'll be astounded if it's anything less than 40 years.
And as you say, he'll likely be confined to a mental institution if and when he's released.
Whatever the sentence, I hope the faces of those poor girls haunt this monstrous piece of shit until his dying breath.
No. Pretty sure it’s statutory rather than based on guidance which means there’s no judicial discretion.I take it a youth can’t get a whole life tariff?
I listened to another lengthy discussion about this case, yesterday. The general assessment was that he would never be released. In the light of what you say, and his clearly psychotic behaviour, I think that will be the best outcome.The thing is, and people often don’t appreciate what I’m about to post.
Firstly, if he’s subject to such a sentence he’ll be approaching 60 (at the earliest) if he’s released. He’ll be completely institutionalised, won’t know anyone, he will be completely isolated and won’t be able to function in society, and have no means of supporting or bettering himself. He will be frightened and a complete shell of a man. I’d actually be amazed after all that time if he’d even want to be released.
When someone spends that long inside, especially from such a young age, it completely breaks them.
I think people have this notion of prisoners being released after several decades inside skipping away from the gaol and living a happy life of freedom. They don’t. Most of them absolutely hate it after that long inside.
Their sentence doesn’t end when they get released.
The thing is, and people often don’t appreciate what I’m about to post.
Firstly, if he’s subject to such a sentence he’ll be approaching 60 (at the earliest) if he’s released. He’ll be completely institutionalised, won’t know anyone, he will be completely isolated and won’t be able to function in society, and have no means of supporting or bettering himself. He will be utterly frightened and a complete shell of a man. I’d actually be amazed after all that time if he’d even want to be released.
When someone spends that long inside, especially from such a young age, it completely breaks them.
I think people have this notion of prisoners being released after several decades inside skipping away from the gaol and living a happy life of freedom. They don’t. Most of them absolutely hate it after that long inside.
Their sentence doesn’t end if they get released, and nor should it.