It’s Quiet 20 - What is the Wirtz that could happen?

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CC1 said:
Oh dear. I think the club, manager & players know the problem but now - more than ever - need our support. HUGE support.
It’s easy when we’re breaking records but more important in times like this. Criticism is very easy. Solutions very difficult
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You are right but so was the poster ..
 
salfordbluetrue said:
That is the bullshit we have been hearing for years, and it is bullshit, there are a lot of reasons why we have not bought in January, but that is not one of them. January represents a market where clubs need money to push for promotion, some need money to escape relegation, and others need it for FFP rules. Knowing and targeting these clubs players is where we have failed, repetitively going for experience, got our success but it also caused this downfall.
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Not sure that is true. Clubs often have issues recruiting in January.

One of the reasons is that recruitment in January tends to reflect clubs needing to make urgent changes. Recruitment for end of season is planned months in advance. Chairman after chairman, DoF after DoF and manager after manager state how difficult it is to recruit in January.
 
handsofstone said:
If they have release clauses they are for sale

If they arent for sale in January we should
A. Have bought them summer
B. They can't be bought and therefore are a waste of time or
C. They can be bought so we just gotta overpay for being shit and not getting it done in the summer

This isn't a new problem, dunno why you think it is, that's just incredibly naive

You don't just get an injury and then start securing after an injury, securing is ongoing and we would have a presumably large range of targets, whether potential first teamers, future first teamers, youth prospects or bargain buys
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First suggestion being time travel is excellent. :D
 
handsofstone said:
If they have release clauses they are for sale

If they arent for sale in January we should
A. Have bought them summer
B. They can't be bought and therefore are a waste of time or
C. They can be bought so we just gotta overpay for being shit and not getting it done in the summer

This isn't a new problem, dunno why you think it is, that's just incredibly naive

You don't just get an injury and then start securing after an injury, securing is ongoing and we would have a presumably large range of targets, whether potential first teamers, future first teamers, youth prospects or bargain buys
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Having a release clause, or a fee that can be agreed overpaid or not, does not mean the player can be made to come here. In January or in the summer.
 
Gaz (FMwkdsoul) said:
no one should be playing a single pivot imo. Every system we've tried with it last few years has sucked and we've ended up inverting or boxing into a double anyway. (personal gripe that though)
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I agree. Even with prime Rodri the game appears to have changed. Well our opponents have. And when he comes back we can't just leave him all alone surrounded by the likes of Phil, Lewis, Marmoush, Savinho and Doku.
 
Coatigan said:
Having a release clause, or a fee that can be agreed overpaid or not, does not mean the player can be made to come here. In January or in the summer.
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No but then they shouldn't be targets or at least those that aren't targeted

Again there would be a list, find it hard to see how the entire list won't wanna join in Jan, if anything nows the time to join if you're a DM give yourself and opportunity to prove yourself because come next season Rodri is back and likely 1st choice
 
Manc in London said:
Not sure that is true. Clubs often have issues recruiting in January.

One of the reasons is that recruitment in January tends to reflect clubs needing to make urgent changes. Recruitment for end of season is planned months in advance. Chairman after chairman, DoF after DoF and manager after manager state how difficult it is to recruit in January.
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Clubs claiming they have problems recruiting in January, often comes because they are desperate, and can not afford what they want. That could be us but it is not, we do not need a superstar for DM we just need mobility, there are 100s of players that could fill the spot, temporary or permanent, and we can play them all of against each other.
 
handsofstone said:
No but then they shouldn't be targets or at least those that aren't targeted

Again there would be a list, find it hard to see how the entire list won't wanna join in Jan, if anything nows the time to join if you're a DM give yourself and opportunity to prove yourself because come next season Rodri is back and likely 1st choice
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Do you not see how quickly the pool narrows though? Or the list shortens, or whatever way to describe it.

Only so many players that can play in that role, and play to the level that would interest us. Only so many of them the right profile,age,etc. Of that, only so many willing to come. Of that only so many in January. On the right wages. Of that only so many with either a release clause or a club willing to agree a fee overpaid or not. Of that only so many that can have a role when rodri and others (like stones for example) are fit.

Quickly becomes not that easy to just blindly reach into a hat and pull one out.
 
Coatigan said:
Do you not see how quickly the pool narrows though? Or the list shortens, or whatever way to describe it.

Only so many players that can play in that role, and play to the level that would interest us. Only so many of them the right profile,age,etc. Of that, only so many willing to come. Of that only so many in January. On the right wages. Of that only so many with either a release clause or a club willing to agree a fee overpaid or not. Of that only so many that can have a role when rodri and others (like stones for example) are fit.

Quickly becomes not that easy to just blindly reach into a hat and pull one out.
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The pool being narrow doesn't equate to just "blindly reaching into a hat" they're still our targets

Again, it's not easy but it's possible and it's neglect on the club that has put us here in the 1st place so we just gotta bite the bullet and accept we've fucked it

Missing out on top 4 is a genuine risk, and that's unacceptable
 
This whole mess with the squad lies at the feet of Pep. Not Txixi/Soriano. Club clearly wanted to refresh the squad last summer but he vetoed as he has admitted. What he saw different than the rest is what I'm still trying to understand. It doesn't take away anything from what he's done for us so far but aren't we paying dearly for it and how.

We need at least two midfielders through the door this window alone, and a bigger clearout for the summer, only Foden and Rodri should still be here of the current lot. That's how bad our midfield is right now.

All the works with the 3 in so far will be for nothing if there are no new midfielders....Long rest of the season ahead.
 
handsofstone said:
The pool being narrow doesn't equate to just "blindly reaching into a hat" they're still our targets

Again, it's not easy but it's possible and it's neglect on the club that has put us here in the 1st place so we just gotta bite the bullet and accept we've fucked it

Missing out on top 4 is a genuine risk, and that's unacceptable
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No it doesn't and that was my point. People make it sound like it is as easy as that. In reality, it is not.

I am not arguing it is impossible either, to be clear. But if the club aren't signing midfielders, I trust them in thinking the right one isn't available or affordable, rather than just assuming they are lazy or incompetent or simply not trying. Which I know you did not suggest btw, but many have.
 
Edwin Edwin said:
This whole mess with the squad lies at the feet of Pep. Not Txixi/Soriano. Club clearly wanted to refresh the squad last summer but he vetoed as he has admitted. What he saw different than the rest is what I'm still trying to understand. It doesn't take away anything from what he's done for us so far but aren't we paying dearly for it and how.

We need at least two midfielders through the door this window alone, and a bigger clearout for the summer, only Foden and Rodri should still be here of the current lot. That's how bad our midfield is right now.

All the works with the 3 in so far will be for nothing if there are no new midfielders....Long rest of the season ahead.
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He is a bit of a muppet, Pep, that we all know already.
 
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handsofstone said:
Difficult but not impossible, dunno how that's such a hard concept to grasp
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So we’ve accepted we need a midfielder we are trying, bu t may resort to a loan Why is that then If you know better, and this great 6/8 target is available and waiting for a call maybe let them know what they are missing.
 
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