President Trump

You clearly don’t understand religion. Who, for example says religion has to be non political? Organised religion is perhaps the most political activity known to man. Always has been, always will be. They are not separate persuits.

You're right, I'm an atheist, I believe religion is an ideology, everything it spouts is political, but some things are more political than others, but as the great Father Ted would say...That would be an ecumenical matter.
 
Lord have mercy on your soul...

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Maybe you should ask this guy about the word of god.
What has the word of god, or scripture for that matter, got to do with organised religion?
 
You're right, I'm an atheist, I believe religion is an ideology, everything it spouts is political, but some things are more political than others, but as the great Father Ted would say...That would be an ecumenical matter.
Neat get out! Bravo!
I’m an atheist too but, despite having been brought up in a Christian family, I believe it is a big political con job by small group of men organised for their own benefit.
 
“There are none so blind as those who will not see”

That's not scripture either.
This seems to have really wound you up.
I was brought up Catholic but regard any religion now, as a grown up, as just your own version of belief in whatever manifestation of sky fairy you choose.
Knock yourself out, but don’t let it interfere with the rights of your fellow man.

America’s ‘In God We Trust’, has its origins in the civil war and was adopted by the Union soldiers fighting slavery etc.
Personally I think it’s most appropriate on their currency, because America seems to be all about the dollar.

As I indicated above I’m not really taken by religion, but I’m not unfamiliar with Christianity. This has changed considerably down through the ages since Emperor Constantine and shown through history that it has always been political and adapted to the controlling of the masses of the time. Whatever suited.

What I would say about the up to date with modern living, version of Christianity that Bishop Budde seems to be professing, is that I may well have preferred it’s tolerance and empathy than the version of Christianity that I was brought up with.

At the end of the day though, they are all just sky fairies as figureheads of the belief. Some doctrines seem far more in touch with humanity than others though.

Regardless. America loves all this in God we trust business.
This was a traditional interfaith service which always happens at an inauguration and she is the bishop of Washington in her faith, as I said.

This is the lady who, oversaw the removal of the stained glass windows honouring Confederate generals Lee and Jackson from Washington’s National Cathedral and replaced them with panes depicting the African American Civil rights struggles. What the fuck were they expecting? Trump got off very lightly tbh, with simple calls for mercy which whatever denomination you are, you would imagine should resonate.
Maybe next time they’ll have someone there reading scripture from the Trump Bible…… that’ll suit him better in his third term in office.
 
Neat get out! Bravo!
I’m an atheist too but, despite having been brought up in a Christian family, I believe it is a big political con job by small group of men organised for their own benefit.
So you believe Jesus's catering abilities were over exaggerated?
 
This. Is. Exactly. What. They. Voted. For.
Quite. But not relevant to my post which was about belief, quite different from their voting behaviour. So, for example many voted approvingly for tariffs in the mistaken belief that foreign countries paid them; they would not have knowingly voted for increased prices of imported goods. None can articulate what ‘woke’ means. Leading Maga politicians expressed a belief that violent insurrectionists should not be pardoned but support the blanket release. I believe they got what they voted for, but their beliefs are obscure and change from one day to the next. This is common in western democracies, a gap between belief and voting behaviour.
Studies in the UK some years ago showed that Labour voters widely held Tory views on immigration, crime etc. London dockers who voted Labour en masse demonstrated in favour of Enoch Powell a far right wing Tory.
It is just too simplistic to say this is what they voted for.
 
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What is a more compelling message than "All your problems are the other side's fault and I will fix them instantly and without pain to you while making sure those you hate and fear suffer?"

If you have the moral apathy to craft such a message just to win, that cannot be combatted until the 1) consequences of electing such a person are made clear to those who supported him, and they stop supporting him or 2) you are willing to get down in dirt and craft exactly the same message, which those with moral decency won't do.

Herein lies the problem and why Democrats are in complete despair -- because number 1 happened in 2020, and after defecating on election integrity without evidence, THEN Trump attempted to foment a coup.

So one would think that such actions after already rejecting him democratically would translate into a "never again" approach by the voting populace. Isn't that logical?

But it didn't.

In fact an even larger group bought the same line all over again, even after his post-electoral actions proved him unwilling to step down peaceably until his options were exhausted.

Now I am already on record saying Biden should have announced he was a one-term President after he won or, at the latest, after the mid-terms. And I said so then, so this isn't hindsight, and maybe that's the, or a, problem.

But it has nothing to do with "introspection". When the other side is willing to do and say whatever it can to win, regardless of consequences, you must of needs rely on the populace to see that as a leadership failing. And not enough of the populace could. And in fact, many embraced this approach.

How can you not denigrate (some of) them?

I took time with this post because it's impossible to critique.

All things are solvable in the land of lies, but as you pointed out it's more than that, to go back for second helpings after all the shit Trump pulled off the first time, to ignore his appalling behaviour these last four years, and all those skeletons tumbling out of closets that expose Trump for what he really is, it's almost incomprehensible that such a man could be elected again.

But in order for all this shit to matter, it would require Trump supporters to care, and they clearly don't.

Why?

For his transgressions to matter they'd have to happen in their world, but they didn't happen there, they happened in your world, a mishmash of Rich Men North of Richmond, Rachel Maddow, Hollywood woke world, a world that exists in the same time and space as theirs, but one where you have all the power and they have none, all that shit he pulled off? It's a pity he didn't do more, for them electing Trump is giving your world a big fat finger fuck off.

But more than having all the power, the thing that hurts the most for Trump supporters is your world's perceived indifference, it isn't even contempt, it's your indifference (when I say you I don't mean you personally) well you're not indifferent now are you!

How do you combat that? As you say you can't lie with ease like Trump, wiping problems away with a wave of the hand, or in Trump's case a pen.

Well the Democrats have to ditch identity politics for starters, or at least some of it, and get real about the structural inequalities baked in by America's brutal red in tooth and claw capitalism. Get yourself a universal healthcare system and build a lot of houses, tell the people you're going to do it and if you get in do it.

Will the Democrats do that?

My guess is no.
 
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I took time with this post because it's impossible to critique.

All things are solvable in the land of lies, but as you pointed out it's more than that, to go back for second helpings after all the shit Trump pulled off the first time, to ignore his appalling behaviour these last four years, and all those skeletons tumbling out of closets that expose Trump for what he really is, it's almost incomprehensible that such a man could be elected again.

But in order for all this shit to matter, it would require Trump supporters to care, and they clearly don't.

Why?

For his transgressions to matter they'd have to happen in their world, but they didn't happen there, they happened in your world, a mishmash of Rich Men North of Richmond, Rachel Maddow, Hollywood woke world, a world that exists in the same space and time as theirs, but one where you have all the power and they have none, all that shit he pulled off? It's a pity he didn't do more, for them electing Trump is giving your world a big fat finger fuck off.

But more than having all the power, the thing that hurts the most for Trump supporters is your world's perceived indifference, it isn't even contempt, it's your indifference (when I say you I don't mean you personally) well you're not indifferent now are you!

How do you combat that? As you say you can't lie with ease like Trump, wiping problems away with a wave of the hand, or in Trumps case a pen.

Well the Democrats have to ditch identity politics for starters, or at least some of it, and get real about the structural inequalities baked in by America's brutal red in tooth and claw capitalism. Get yourself a universal healthcare system and build a lot of houses, tell the people you're going to do it and if you get in do it.

Will the Democrats do that?

My guess is no.
I appreciate that response, thanks.

Identity politics is a discussion for another time, because I do see how some more extreme aspects of correcting past imbalances have overshadowed the more moderate and laudable advantages of equal opportunity, though I do think "all" Democrats being tarred with an extremist brush on this score is a GOP creation, and I find referring to Harris as a "DEI hire" (as a few of the cunts who post here have) deeply offensive.

But on the other two issues -- they are nowhere near as easy as "say it, do it" for an enormous variety of reasons. And the immediate reward would be being tarred as "socialist" (if not communist) by the GOP so they, as global solutions, don't work as platform planks anyhow. Dems have tried, without traction though.

With housing in particular -- which is the one world I know a lot about -- roughly two-thirds of Americans are homeowners, and a higher percentage of them than renters vote. And the majority of them don't really want affordable housing solutions because more supply helps drive down the value of their own nest eggs, not to mention adds to a strain of city/county services (which impacts tax rates), adds to traffic, and in some cases, and I quote, "brings in the undesirables."

This was the first election probably since immediately post WW2 where housing became a national campaign agenda item though, to your point. So maybe it and healthcare reform can work as campaign planks against a more traditional GOP opponent, if there ever is one again, and he/she don't co-opt them.
 
Just seen him addressing Davos, saying USA suffers against EU because we don’t import their cars and food but Americans import from EU, well maybe if your food wasn’t full of shit and your cars equally so. Also saying EU want loads of tax from Apple, Google and Facebook and that’s not fair, so now we know why Zuckerberg has flipped, lot of clever people in that room and he isn’t one.
Just watched a bit more, he’s a rambling idiot, according to him they have the most of everything and build the best of everything, well if that’s the case he does t need tariffs as the USA is self sufficient what an utter prick he is, oh a new one they have the cleanest coal now as well!
 
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